1874 Northwich to be promoted to North West Counties League top flight after rival club resigns

Northwich Guardian: Mike Brandon and 1874 Northwich will line up in the North West Counties League's Premier Division from next season. Picture: ANNIE HILDITCH Mike Brandon and 1874 Northwich will line up in the North West Counties League's Premier Division from next season. Picture: ANNIE HILDITCH

1874 NORTHWICH will play at a higher level next season after Formby, who had beaten them to a promotion place on goal difference, resigned from the North West Counties League.

The fans-run club, who finished third in Division One with the same points tally as the Squirrels behind champions Nelson, were offered a place in the Premier Division during a phone call from league secretary John Deal to chairman Paul Stockton on Saturday.

He accepted.

“We didn’t see it coming,” admitted Brian Edge, vice chairman at 1874 Northwich.

“Paul asked if I was sitting down when I answered the phone, so I immediately thought he was about to deliver bad news. I wasn’t expecting to hear what he said next.”

The league confirmed Formby’s situation in a statement.

But the Merseyside club, Division One champions in 2013, have yet to comment beyond a brief remark on one of their online social media accounts.

“We’re exhausting all our final options before we confirm anything 100 per cent,” it read.

“Expect a statement from us on Monday.”

Bacup and Rossendale Borough, who occupied the first relegation position in the Premier Division, have already been reprieved from the drop by the FA’s Leagues Committee following a reshuffle further up the non-league pyramid.

However league rules prevent a side finishing bottom of the table, in this case Wigan Robin Park, from benefitting in the same way.

As a result, 1874 Northwich will fill the vacancy made by Formby’s exit.

Stockton said: “The league secretary doesn’t call out of season just for a chat, so I knew it was something significant after he left a message asking me to ring him.

“I wasn’t prepared for what he did say, mind!

“We were an own goal away from being promoted on the final day of the season, so had gone as close as we possibly could without going up.

“It’s what [manager] Ian [Street] and the players had worked so hard from the start to achieve.”

He told the Guardian that the club’s board would meet shortly to discuss in detail how being promoted will impact on their preparation for next season.

An open meeting for supporters, scheduled before today’s news, takes place at Lostock Social Club on Tuesday from 8pm.

What do you think? How will the team fare in the Premier Division next season? Add a comment below.

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11:07pm Sat 31 May 14

Chris Borley says...

Really sorry this has to be at Formby's demise but as fans of a club like ours we are well used to off the field affairs affecting our playing position on the field.
It makes a change however for it to be in OUR favour. Something other clubs bearing the towns name could take heed of.

Isn't it about time the FA did something about them too?
Really sorry this has to be at Formby's demise but as fans of a club like ours we are well used to off the field affairs affecting our playing position on the field. It makes a change however for it to be in OUR favour. Something other clubs bearing the towns name could take heed of. Isn't it about time the FA did something about them too? Chris Borley
  • Score: 5

4:32pm Sun 1 Jun 14

WHS says...

This will speed up going bust again! Can you really afford that level, it is nearly up to Sunday League standard!
WHS.
This will speed up going bust again! Can you really afford that level, it is nearly up to Sunday League standard! WHS. WHS
  • Score: -25

8:30am Mon 2 Jun 14

Genuine fan says...

You obviously have no idea how an industrial and provident society works then do you WHS? One level below Vics, two below Witton and on the front foot. Lets see where all three are in five years time shall we?
You obviously have no idea how an industrial and provident society works then do you WHS? One level below Vics, two below Witton and on the front foot. Lets see where all three are in five years time shall we? Genuine fan
  • Score: 11

12:48pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Genuine fan says...

WHS wrote:
This will speed up going bust again! Can you really afford that level, it is nearly up to Sunday League standard!
WHS.
Also, we've never been "bust" you must be mistaking us for another club owned by an individual with no care for THEIR clubs heritage or fanbase. Get your facts straight.
[quote][p][bold]WHS[/bold] wrote: This will speed up going bust again! Can you really afford that level, it is nearly up to Sunday League standard! WHS.[/p][/quote]Also, we've never been "bust" you must be mistaking us for another club owned by an individual with no care for THEIR clubs heritage or fanbase. Get your facts straight. Genuine fan
  • Score: 5

5:29pm Tue 3 Jun 14

THETELLEROFTALES says...

Genuine fan wrote:
You obviously have no idea how an industrial and provident society works then do you WHS? One level below Vics, two below Witton and on the front foot. Lets see where all three are in five years time shall we?
So in summary:

Promotion by default.

2 levels below Witton...but a milion miles away in terms of the quality of players you can attract.

As for Northwich Vics...don't ge me going on that shower.

That being said...good luck for next season.
[quote][p][bold]Genuine fan[/bold] wrote: You obviously have no idea how an industrial and provident society works then do you WHS? One level below Vics, two below Witton and on the front foot. Lets see where all three are in five years time shall we?[/p][/quote]So in summary: Promotion by default. 2 levels below Witton...but a milion miles away in terms of the quality of players you can attract. As for Northwich Vics...don't ge me going on that shower. That being said...good luck for next season. THETELLEROFTALES
  • Score: -6

8:45pm Tue 3 Jun 14

PrideofNorthwich says...

If 1874 were to get promoted again where would they play? I wouldn't have thought the Barton Stadium is up to Northern Premier League or even Division One standard, although I stand to be corrected.

With tin hat firmly in place - will there ever be a shared ground in town for the benefit of both clubs one day? If this happened there could be other leisure facilities and attractions within the vicinity, things for all the local community to enjoy. With all the new housing going up in surrounding villages surely now (if not immediately at least sometime in the foreseeable future) would be a good time to consider this. Appreciate there would be strong objection from both sides however Northwich has to now move with the times, something it has not done with so many other issues in its recent history and is now paying the price for that (I am Northwich born and bred before getting shot for saying that aswell!).
If 1874 were to get promoted again where would they play? I wouldn't have thought the Barton Stadium is up to Northern Premier League or even Division One standard, although I stand to be corrected. With tin hat firmly in place - will there ever be a shared ground in town for the benefit of both clubs one day? If this happened there could be other leisure facilities and attractions within the vicinity, things for all the local community to enjoy. With all the new housing going up in surrounding villages surely now (if not immediately at least sometime in the foreseeable future) would be a good time to consider this. Appreciate there would be strong objection from both sides however Northwich has to now move with the times, something it has not done with so many other issues in its recent history and is now paying the price for that (I am Northwich born and bred before getting shot for saying that aswell!). PrideofNorthwich
  • Score: 0

8:29am Wed 4 Jun 14

Genuine fan says...

THETELLEROFTALES wrote:
Genuine fan wrote:
You obviously have no idea how an industrial and provident society works then do you WHS? One level below Vics, two below Witton and on the front foot. Lets see where all three are in five years time shall we?
So in summary:

Promotion by default.

2 levels below Witton...but a milion miles away in terms of the quality of players you can attract.

As for Northwich Vics...don't ge me going on that shower.

That being said...good luck for next season.
Promotion - it was offered, we took it.
Quality - certainly NOT a million miles away
JRFC - Agree 100%
Good luck to yourselves too ;)
[quote][p][bold]THETELLEROFTALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genuine fan[/bold] wrote: You obviously have no idea how an industrial and provident society works then do you WHS? One level below Vics, two below Witton and on the front foot. Lets see where all three are in five years time shall we?[/p][/quote]So in summary: Promotion by default. 2 levels below Witton...but a milion miles away in terms of the quality of players you can attract. As for Northwich Vics...don't ge me going on that shower. That being said...good luck for next season.[/p][/quote]Promotion - it was offered, we took it. Quality - certainly NOT a million miles away JRFC - Agree 100% Good luck to yourselves too ;) Genuine fan
  • Score: 4

3:42pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Music96 says...

Very fortunate to be given an promotion into the league above us, all 1874's work has resulted very nicely. Our last game of the season finished great with a healthy looking scoreline. Wish 1874 the best of luck, lets see where we finish in the season this time. Fresh start, new beginnings. Good luck 1874 Northwich!
Very fortunate to be given an promotion into the league above us, all 1874's work has resulted very nicely. Our last game of the season finished great with a healthy looking scoreline. Wish 1874 the best of luck, lets see where we finish in the season this time. Fresh start, new beginnings. Good luck 1874 Northwich! Music96
  • Score: 4

5:58pm Wed 4 Jun 14

1874Vicki says...

1874 Northwich had a tremendous first season, both on and off the pitch. We finished third in the NWCFL Division One (on goal difference) which was more than we could have hoped for. Formby's extremely sad demise has meant that the League offered us the chance to play in the Premier League. All within the rules. We will grasp the opportunity and give it our best.

Please be assured (WHS) that we will live within our means. If we can't afford, then we won't have. A simple rule, which our Club will follow. And it will because it has a number of Owners who make sure it is that way. These Owners are true supporters and care deeply for the Club.

I am extremely proud of what we have all achieved, fans, officials and players. The future is looking healthy.

Vicki
Football Secretary
1874 Northwich FC
1874 Northwich had a tremendous first season, both on and off the pitch. We finished third in the NWCFL Division One (on goal difference) which was more than we could have hoped for. Formby's extremely sad demise has meant that the League offered us the chance to play in the Premier League. All within the rules. We will grasp the opportunity and give it our best. Please be assured (WHS) that we will live within our means. If we can't afford, then we won't have. A simple rule, which our Club will follow. And it will because it has a number of Owners who make sure it is that way. These Owners are true supporters and care deeply for the Club. I am extremely proud of what we have all achieved, fans, officials and players. The future is looking healthy. Vicki Football Secretary 1874 Northwich FC 1874Vicki
  • Score: 11

9:49pm Wed 4 Jun 14

markust says...

PrideofNorthwich wrote:
If 1874 were to get promoted again where would they play? I wouldn't have thought the Barton Stadium is up to Northern Premier League or even Division One standard, although I stand to be corrected.

With tin hat firmly in place - will there ever be a shared ground in town for the benefit of both clubs one day? If this happened there could be other leisure facilities and attractions within the vicinity, things for all the local community to enjoy. With all the new housing going up in surrounding villages surely now (if not immediately at least sometime in the foreseeable future) would be a good time to consider this. Appreciate there would be strong objection from both sides however Northwich has to now move with the times, something it has not done with so many other issues in its recent history and is now paying the price for that (I am Northwich born and bred before getting shot for saying that aswell!).
The Barton Stadium already has Evostik grading.
[quote][p][bold]PrideofNorthwich[/bold] wrote: If 1874 were to get promoted again where would they play? I wouldn't have thought the Barton Stadium is up to Northern Premier League or even Division One standard, although I stand to be corrected. With tin hat firmly in place - will there ever be a shared ground in town for the benefit of both clubs one day? If this happened there could be other leisure facilities and attractions within the vicinity, things for all the local community to enjoy. With all the new housing going up in surrounding villages surely now (if not immediately at least sometime in the foreseeable future) would be a good time to consider this. Appreciate there would be strong objection from both sides however Northwich has to now move with the times, something it has not done with so many other issues in its recent history and is now paying the price for that (I am Northwich born and bred before getting shot for saying that aswell!).[/p][/quote]The Barton Stadium already has Evostik grading. markust
  • Score: 3

10:45pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ecstatic41 says...

Theres only one football club from northwich.always has and always will be.steeped in history with many great days achieved on own endeavours and merits.not a hollow promotion achieved from anothers demise......
Theres only one football club from northwich.always has and always will be.steeped in history with many great days achieved on own endeavours and merits.not a hollow promotion achieved from anothers demise...... ecstatic41
  • Score: -6

12:49pm Thu 5 Jun 14

PrideofNorthwich says...

markust wrote:
PrideofNorthwich wrote:
If 1874 were to get promoted again where would they play? I wouldn't have thought the Barton Stadium is up to Northern Premier League or even Division One standard, although I stand to be corrected.

With tin hat firmly in place - will there ever be a shared ground in town for the benefit of both clubs one day? If this happened there could be other leisure facilities and attractions within the vicinity, things for all the local community to enjoy. With all the new housing going up in surrounding villages surely now (if not immediately at least sometime in the foreseeable future) would be a good time to consider this. Appreciate there would be strong objection from both sides however Northwich has to now move with the times, something it has not done with so many other issues in its recent history and is now paying the price for that (I am Northwich born and bred before getting shot for saying that aswell!).
The Barton Stadium already has Evostik grading.
Surpirised at that, not been to a ground as run down as the Barton Stadium over the last few years following Witton. Anyway playing in a neighbouring town surely defeats the purpose of starting this new club, it's like Vics being in Stafford, Flixton or whereever they are these days.
[quote][p][bold]markust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PrideofNorthwich[/bold] wrote: If 1874 were to get promoted again where would they play? I wouldn't have thought the Barton Stadium is up to Northern Premier League or even Division One standard, although I stand to be corrected. With tin hat firmly in place - will there ever be a shared ground in town for the benefit of both clubs one day? If this happened there could be other leisure facilities and attractions within the vicinity, things for all the local community to enjoy. With all the new housing going up in surrounding villages surely now (if not immediately at least sometime in the foreseeable future) would be a good time to consider this. Appreciate there would be strong objection from both sides however Northwich has to now move with the times, something it has not done with so many other issues in its recent history and is now paying the price for that (I am Northwich born and bred before getting shot for saying that aswell!).[/p][/quote]The Barton Stadium already has Evostik grading.[/p][/quote]Surpirised at that, not been to a ground as run down as the Barton Stadium over the last few years following Witton. Anyway playing in a neighbouring town surely defeats the purpose of starting this new club, it's like Vics being in Stafford, Flixton or whereever they are these days. PrideofNorthwich
  • Score: -4

8:17pm Thu 5 Jun 14

A Barnton Wanderer says...

THETELLEROFTALES wrote:
Genuine fan wrote:
You obviously have no idea how an industrial and provident society works then do you WHS? One level below Vics, two below Witton and on the front foot. Lets see where all three are in five years time shall we?
So in summary:

Promotion by default.

2 levels below Witton...but a milion miles away in terms of the quality of players you can attract.

As for Northwich Vics...don't ge me going on that shower.

That being said...good luck for next season.
I think Teller of Tales and WHS are fishing for a bite from an 1874 follower!!!

In terms of the quality on show next season for 1874 at Step 5;

Two of Wittons best performers over the last couple of seasons have been Ben Harrison (who was literally a Sunday League player for Rudheath prior to being picked up by Paul Ogden) and Josh Hancock (who was in and out of the Congleton Town team in the NWC Prem 4/5 seasons ago). We've also seen Rob Hopley progress from Winsford (when they were at step 6) to Colwyn Bay via Leek Town and more recently Lois Maynard from Winsford United to the Halifax first team this season.

Witton have also suffered defeats against a team from Step 5 (Congleton) and a team who were then at Step 6 and consisting of players who were not paid and could all be seen playing at Moss Farm or Knights Grange on a Sunday morning (Winsford) from recent memory in the FA Cup.

I believe the top 3 sides in NWC 1 and the top 5 sides in the NWC Prem (possibly the top 8 at a push) all had the quality of players at their disposal to finish above the bottom 4 in the Evostik Prem over a 46 game season last year.

The difference in quality, in my opinion, is shown in the other teams in those two leagues versus the Evostik Prem where there are only 5/6 teams who you would say were poor (in the NWC Prem there are probably 10+ who are really poor; but still not Sunday League standard!). The quality of pitches at Step 5 and 6 is also drastically reduced from Step 3 which obviously also affects the quality and standard of football on display. But in terms of players, the top sides in the NWC are all full of players who have plenty of experience at evostik level or above but for whatever reason (personal preference, work commitments, laziness, trophy hunting, money, being the star man) decide to play at NWC level.

The problem 1874 will now have is that Step 5 is notoriously difficult to get out of, all across the country, with only the Champion side being promoted from leagues at this level in most areas. Both Runcorn Town and Runcorn Linnets have had teams that would easily cope at Step 4 and 3 over the last 3 seasons but there has been Ramsbottom, Padiham and now Norton who have been better. There is little or no margin for error with the Champions usually only losing a handful of games so no losing 15 games and sneaking into the playoffs and getting up that way!

I think 1874 can take heart from their performances at Cammell Laird and Tranmere in the Cheshire Cup and in a competitive friendly at Altrincham which all showed that they have the quality of players (which will now surely be added to as well) who are comfortable at a much higher level and will be up amongst the top teams again this season.

Also I think they can take heart from the likes of Fleetwood, Fylde, Nantwich and more recently Ramsbottom who have all progressed from Step 5 (and were much smaller clubs in terms of support and stature than 1874 when they were at that level) and gone on to have success and find the quality at higher levels.

I'd expect the average attendance at 1874 to pass that of Witton this year, and with no return in sight for Vics, that would establish them as the best supported club in the area. An FA Vase run would also help bring in and retain a lot of the sleeping or undecided 1874/Vics fans so I think that needs to be a big aim for the club this year (one only needs to look at the increase in support at Nantwich and Glossop to see the impact of a successful run in this competition). Medium term; a return to the town and not the outskirts (i.e. Wincham) must be non-negotiable with the council and the installation of a 4G or i-pitch for a playing surface which could be used by all the local schools and junior football clubs to strengthen their ties with the community and bring in further/new support is essential and would surely see 1874 return to the level and quality of football that their fans enjoyed before messrs Connett and Rushe arrived on the scene.
[quote][p][bold]THETELLEROFTALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genuine fan[/bold] wrote: You obviously have no idea how an industrial and provident society works then do you WHS? One level below Vics, two below Witton and on the front foot. Lets see where all three are in five years time shall we?[/p][/quote]So in summary: Promotion by default. 2 levels below Witton...but a milion miles away in terms of the quality of players you can attract. As for Northwich Vics...don't ge me going on that shower. That being said...good luck for next season.[/p][/quote]I think Teller of Tales and WHS are fishing for a bite from an 1874 follower!!! In terms of the quality on show next season for 1874 at Step 5; Two of Wittons best performers over the last couple of seasons have been Ben Harrison (who was literally a Sunday League player for Rudheath prior to being picked up by Paul Ogden) and Josh Hancock (who was in and out of the Congleton Town team in the NWC Prem 4/5 seasons ago). We've also seen Rob Hopley progress from Winsford (when they were at step 6) to Colwyn Bay via Leek Town and more recently Lois Maynard from Winsford United to the Halifax first team this season. Witton have also suffered defeats against a team from Step 5 (Congleton) and a team who were then at Step 6 and consisting of players who were not paid and could all be seen playing at Moss Farm or Knights Grange on a Sunday morning (Winsford) from recent memory in the FA Cup. I believe the top 3 sides in NWC 1 and the top 5 sides in the NWC Prem (possibly the top 8 at a push) all had the quality of players at their disposal to finish above the bottom 4 in the Evostik Prem over a 46 game season last year. The difference in quality, in my opinion, is shown in the other teams in those two leagues versus the Evostik Prem where there are only 5/6 teams who you would say were poor (in the NWC Prem there are probably 10+ who are really poor; but still not Sunday League standard!). The quality of pitches at Step 5 and 6 is also drastically reduced from Step 3 which obviously also affects the quality and standard of football on display. But in terms of players, the top sides in the NWC are all full of players who have plenty of experience at evostik level or above but for whatever reason (personal preference, work commitments, laziness, trophy hunting, money, being the star man) decide to play at NWC level. The problem 1874 will now have is that Step 5 is notoriously difficult to get out of, all across the country, with only the Champion side being promoted from leagues at this level in most areas. Both Runcorn Town and Runcorn Linnets have had teams that would easily cope at Step 4 and 3 over the last 3 seasons but there has been Ramsbottom, Padiham and now Norton who have been better. There is little or no margin for error with the Champions usually only losing a handful of games so no losing 15 games and sneaking into the playoffs and getting up that way! I think 1874 can take heart from their performances at Cammell Laird and Tranmere in the Cheshire Cup and in a competitive friendly at Altrincham which all showed that they have the quality of players (which will now surely be added to as well) who are comfortable at a much higher level and will be up amongst the top teams again this season. Also I think they can take heart from the likes of Fleetwood, Fylde, Nantwich and more recently Ramsbottom who have all progressed from Step 5 (and were much smaller clubs in terms of support and stature than 1874 when they were at that level) and gone on to have success and find the quality at higher levels. I'd expect the average attendance at 1874 to pass that of Witton this year, and with no return in sight for Vics, that would establish them as the best supported club in the area. An FA Vase run would also help bring in and retain a lot of the sleeping or undecided 1874/Vics fans so I think that needs to be a big aim for the club this year (one only needs to look at the increase in support at Nantwich and Glossop to see the impact of a successful run in this competition). Medium term; a return to the town and not the outskirts (i.e. Wincham) must be non-negotiable with the council and the installation of a 4G or i-pitch for a playing surface which could be used by all the local schools and junior football clubs to strengthen their ties with the community and bring in further/new support is essential and would surely see 1874 return to the level and quality of football that their fans enjoyed before messrs Connett and Rushe arrived on the scene. A Barnton Wanderer
  • Score: 12

11:02pm Thu 5 Jun 14

PrideofNorthwich says...

Barnton Wanderer says " would surely see 1874 return to the level and quality of football that their fans enjoyed before messrs Connett and Rushe arrived on the scene."

Never in a million years will 1874 relive the days of Vics in their heyday at the Drill Field for the following reasons:

1 - Times have changed, many vics supporters want to remember the good times rather than have an "association" with a club several leagues below the level they were and do not want to watch
2 - Many people nowadays(throughout the country, not just Northwich) prefer to follow a premiership team on sky tv within the comfort of their own home
3 - You currently have roughly a quarter of vics support from the good old days, you might get a few more but not a thousand more
4 - You don't have your own ground
5 - The money required to compete in the conference is madness, luton town averaged several thousand last season, most others two or three. Where will you get anywhere near that number of supporters from?

I could go on...Fair play for your ambition but thinking you will be a born again vics - its never going to happen.
Barnton Wanderer says " would surely see 1874 return to the level and quality of football that their fans enjoyed before messrs Connett and Rushe arrived on the scene." Never in a million years will 1874 relive the days of Vics in their heyday at the Drill Field for the following reasons: 1 - Times have changed, many vics supporters want to remember the good times rather than have an "association" with a club several leagues below the level they were and do not want to watch 2 - Many people nowadays(throughout the country, not just Northwich) prefer to follow a premiership team on sky tv within the comfort of their own home 3 - You currently have roughly a quarter of vics support from the good old days, you might get a few more but not a thousand more 4 - You don't have your own ground 5 - The money required to compete in the conference is madness, luton town averaged several thousand last season, most others two or three. Where will you get anywhere near that number of supporters from? I could go on...Fair play for your ambition but thinking you will be a born again vics - its never going to happen. PrideofNorthwich
  • Score: -9

11:46pm Thu 5 Jun 14

PrideofNorthwich says...

ecstatic41 wrote:
Theres only one football club from northwich.always has and always will be.steeped in history with many great days achieved on own endeavours and merits.not a hollow promotion achieved from anothers demise......
To be fair V*cs did ok aswell mate
[quote][p][bold]ecstatic41[/bold] wrote: Theres only one football club from northwich.always has and always will be.steeped in history with many great days achieved on own endeavours and merits.not a hollow promotion achieved from anothers demise......[/p][/quote]To be fair V*cs did ok aswell mate PrideofNorthwich
  • Score: 1

2:22pm Fri 6 Jun 14

A Barnton Wanderer says...

PrideofNorthwich wrote:
Barnton Wanderer says " would surely see 1874 return to the level and quality of football that their fans enjoyed before messrs Connett and Rushe arrived on the scene." Never in a million years will 1874 relive the days of Vics in their heyday at the Drill Field for the following reasons: 1 - Times have changed, many vics supporters want to remember the good times rather than have an "association" with a club several leagues below the level they were and do not want to watch 2 - Many people nowadays(throughout the country, not just Northwich) prefer to follow a premiership team on sky tv within the comfort of their own home 3 - You currently have roughly a quarter of vics support from the good old days, you might get a few more but not a thousand more 4 - You don't have your own ground 5 - The money required to compete in the conference is madness, luton town averaged several thousand last season, most others two or three. Where will you get anywhere near that number of supporters from? I could go on...Fair play for your ambition but thinking you will be a born again vics - its never going to happen.
I believe that 1874 has the potential to attract the same level of support as Northwich Victoria once did. But at this stage it is only potential. I think that it will depend on the club eventually finding its way back to a permanent home within Northwich (and as close to the centre of town as possible where the ground/social club etc will be visible to the public and not hidden away down a track in a village or at the back of some industrial estate).

Early success on the pitch will also be crucial in attracting fans and providing an opportunity to retain them and I don't think there is any better opportunity for that then in the FA Vase whilst they remain at Step 5. This is a winnable competition for teams in the NWC Prem as seen in recent years with Nantwich and Fylde enjoying success (and Glossop beaten in the final).

Also it was only 7/8 years ago that Northwich took 4000+ to Sunderland so there is certainly a strong level of sleeping support for either Vics or 1874 (depending on how allegiances have split) which can be tapped in to. This level of sleeping support is something which Witton do not appear to have (from memory I think they had around 2000 at the play off final with Telford at home and Telford had somewhere in the region of 1200-1500 within that attendance figure and I think they had less than 1000 in the play off final at Curzon Ashton). Although I agree with PrideofNorthwich that times have changed and a healthy proportion of this sleeping support might not be there anymore but that is something that 1874 or Vics will not know until it's tested by either a Vase run for 1874 or another cup FA Cup run for Vics.

Northwich is a growing town and looks set to continue to grow in the coming years as Liverpool and Manchester continue to generate jobs and one advantage that 1874 will have in attracting any potential new local support is that they will carry the name of the town which is something I always feel has hampered Witton and probably always will. Invaribably if you meet people on holiday or on business outside the area they have never heard of Witton Albion and those that have either have no idea where they are from or think they are based in Birmingham where I believe there is a town called Witton. Already I have come across people on my last two holidays and away with work who have heard of 1874 Northwich as a break away from Northwich Victoria when I have got talking about football or where I'm from. I think new people moving in to the area will naturally be swayed towards Vics or 1874 and Witton have a much bigger task in attracting that potential support. A visible facility in the town centre or close by for 1874 will only make that task harder for Witton.

If clubs the size of Hyde, Alfreton, Weeling, Gateshead, Braintree, Altrincham and Barrow can reach the Conference Premier then I don't see why 1874 can not eventually become as big as those clubs (as Northwich Vics were up until 3 or 4 years ago) and reach the same level.

I believe that 1874 are already the biggest club in Mid Cheshire in terms of support and that is with them playing in another town and only being a season in to their existence. Their average attendance was only 27 below Witton last season but Witton played in a league where a number of teams bring a following with them (and in the case of Chorley and FC United a fairly sizeable one) and 1874 were in a league where only people turning up apart from 1874 fans were the players and officals of the visiting clubs bar a handful of supporters/players family. Next year with visits from Runcorn, Congleton, Winsford, Alsager etc I would expect their average attendance to be above that of Witton.

Of the 3 senior non league teams from Northwich (4 if we now include Barnton at Step 6!) I think that it is 1874 with the far biggest potential but they will have to get the new ground in the correct location and be succesful in attracting back a large proportion of the support that used to follow Vics and is currently active but undecided and attracting and retianing some of the sleeping supporters out there that used to turn up and watch Vics in the big games. They must also try to avoid what has happened to Runcorn Linnets and become stuck at Step 5 for too long. The future success of Northwich Victoria obviously depends on them making a return to the town sooner rather than later before they lose any more support to 1874. As for Witton, I think they are probably at just about the right level in terms of their support and what standard of football is affordable but obviously they have a very talented manager and a talented side on the pitch which for whatever reason didn't seem to fire correctly in the early part of last season compared to the season before. If they can get it right on the pitch again then I could see them pushing for promotion to the Conference North this season.
[quote][p][bold]PrideofNorthwich[/bold] wrote: Barnton Wanderer says " would surely see 1874 return to the level and quality of football that their fans enjoyed before messrs Connett and Rushe arrived on the scene." Never in a million years will 1874 relive the days of Vics in their heyday at the Drill Field for the following reasons: 1 - Times have changed, many vics supporters want to remember the good times rather than have an "association" with a club several leagues below the level they were and do not want to watch 2 - Many people nowadays(throughout the country, not just Northwich) prefer to follow a premiership team on sky tv within the comfort of their own home 3 - You currently have roughly a quarter of vics support from the good old days, you might get a few more but not a thousand more 4 - You don't have your own ground 5 - The money required to compete in the conference is madness, luton town averaged several thousand last season, most others two or three. Where will you get anywhere near that number of supporters from? I could go on...Fair play for your ambition but thinking you will be a born again vics - its never going to happen.[/p][/quote]I believe that 1874 has the potential to attract the same level of support as Northwich Victoria once did. But at this stage it is only potential. I think that it will depend on the club eventually finding its way back to a permanent home within Northwich (and as close to the centre of town as possible where the ground/social club etc will be visible to the public and not hidden away down a track in a village or at the back of some industrial estate). Early success on the pitch will also be crucial in attracting fans and providing an opportunity to retain them and I don't think there is any better opportunity for that then in the FA Vase whilst they remain at Step 5. This is a winnable competition for teams in the NWC Prem as seen in recent years with Nantwich and Fylde enjoying success (and Glossop beaten in the final). Also it was only 7/8 years ago that Northwich took 4000+ to Sunderland so there is certainly a strong level of sleeping support for either Vics or 1874 (depending on how allegiances have split) which can be tapped in to. This level of sleeping support is something which Witton do not appear to have (from memory I think they had around 2000 at the play off final with Telford at home and Telford had somewhere in the region of 1200-1500 within that attendance figure and I think they had less than 1000 in the play off final at Curzon Ashton). Although I agree with PrideofNorthwich that times have changed and a healthy proportion of this sleeping support might not be there anymore but that is something that 1874 or Vics will not know until it's tested by either a Vase run for 1874 or another cup FA Cup run for Vics. Northwich is a growing town and looks set to continue to grow in the coming years as Liverpool and Manchester continue to generate jobs and one advantage that 1874 will have in attracting any potential new local support is that they will carry the name of the town which is something I always feel has hampered Witton and probably always will. Invaribably if you meet people on holiday or on business outside the area they have never heard of Witton Albion and those that have either have no idea where they are from or think they are based in Birmingham where I believe there is a town called Witton. Already I have come across people on my last two holidays and away with work who have heard of 1874 Northwich as a break away from Northwich Victoria when I have got talking about football or where I'm from. I think new people moving in to the area will naturally be swayed towards Vics or 1874 and Witton have a much bigger task in attracting that potential support. A visible facility in the town centre or close by for 1874 will only make that task harder for Witton. If clubs the size of Hyde, Alfreton, Weeling, Gateshead, Braintree, Altrincham and Barrow can reach the Conference Premier then I don't see why 1874 can not eventually become as big as those clubs (as Northwich Vics were up until 3 or 4 years ago) and reach the same level. I believe that 1874 are already the biggest club in Mid Cheshire in terms of support and that is with them playing in another town and only being a season in to their existence. Their average attendance was only 27 below Witton last season but Witton played in a league where a number of teams bring a following with them (and in the case of Chorley and FC United a fairly sizeable one) and 1874 were in a league where only people turning up apart from 1874 fans were the players and officals of the visiting clubs bar a handful of supporters/players family. Next year with visits from Runcorn, Congleton, Winsford, Alsager etc I would expect their average attendance to be above that of Witton. Of the 3 senior non league teams from Northwich (4 if we now include Barnton at Step 6!) I think that it is 1874 with the far biggest potential but they will have to get the new ground in the correct location and be succesful in attracting back a large proportion of the support that used to follow Vics and is currently active but undecided and attracting and retianing some of the sleeping supporters out there that used to turn up and watch Vics in the big games. They must also try to avoid what has happened to Runcorn Linnets and become stuck at Step 5 for too long. The future success of Northwich Victoria obviously depends on them making a return to the town sooner rather than later before they lose any more support to 1874. As for Witton, I think they are probably at just about the right level in terms of their support and what standard of football is affordable but obviously they have a very talented manager and a talented side on the pitch which for whatever reason didn't seem to fire correctly in the early part of last season compared to the season before. If they can get it right on the pitch again then I could see them pushing for promotion to the Conference North this season. A Barnton Wanderer
  • Score: 11

6:52pm Fri 6 Jun 14

ecstatic41 says...

1874 got great support,players, manager etc etc.if that is the case why did it take default to achieve promotion from the lowest league...
1874 got great support,players, manager etc etc.if that is the case why did it take default to achieve promotion from the lowest league... ecstatic41
  • Score: -9

8:21pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Antony Rogers says...

ecstatic41 wrote:
1874 got great support,players, manager etc etc.if that is the case why did it take default to achieve promotion from the lowest league...
I suggest you word check 'default' using dictionary.com

Much better to be promoted on merit than relegated by default.
[quote][p][bold]ecstatic41[/bold] wrote: 1874 got great support,players, manager etc etc.if that is the case why did it take default to achieve promotion from the lowest league...[/p][/quote]I suggest you word check 'default' using dictionary.com Much better to be promoted on merit than relegated by default. Antony Rogers
  • Score: 3

11:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

A Barnton Wanderer says...

ecstatic41 wrote:
1874 got great support,players, manager etc etc.if that is the case why did it take default to achieve promotion from the lowest league...
Yes ultimately they have been promoted due to off field events but I don't think it was any disgrace in finishing 3rd behind Nelson and Formby. All 3 teams had the quality to play at a much higher level and as I stated in a previous post I think that all 3 sides would have been capable of finishing outside a relegation spot in the same league witton played in having seen quite a bit of football in both divisions last season. Nelson's side is quite frankly ridiculous for the level they play at. Their midfield 4 have all played in the football league and one has international caps and their striker Peter Wright, an FA Trophy winner was Burscough, is one of the best strikers in non league football. They also had Richie Allen up front alongside him for the best part of the season! So no disgrace in finishing 5 points adrift of them. They will be confident of achieving back to back promotions this season,

Formby had walked the division the season before and been denied promotion due to ground grading problems. They maintained the bulk of that side and managed to strengthen in one or two areas as well and had a team full of players who had played a lot of evostik football and been very comfortable at that level. Following their demise I'd expect to see most of their side back playing evostik football next season. So again no disgrace in finishing behind a side like that on goal difference.

Ultimately it was the start of the season that hurt 1874. As a new team they took time to gel and only took 6 points from the first 15 on offer. They finished the season unbeaten since 7th December and only drew two of those games. I would say that if the team that finished the season had come together sooner than the extra 6 points required to win that league would probably have been picked up in those first 5 games; if not, the extra 1 needed to pip Formby would certainly have been achieved. But then again maybe it wouldn't!

Interestingly there is also the chance that promotion could ultimately work against 1874 in the short term. I am certain they would have won NWC Div 1 next season and that success could have been used to attract some of the fans talked about in earlier posts during any title run in. I don't think that they will win the Prem at the first attempt and quite often there is a runaway leader in that league (although not in the past couple of years) and that ends everybody else's interest quite early which could mean a lot of meaningless games towards the end of the season in the league which might hurt attempts to attract those fans. It might be that they will need a good run in the vase or the league cup (semi finalists last season) to keep interest up right through the entire season.
[quote][p][bold]ecstatic41[/bold] wrote: 1874 got great support,players, manager etc etc.if that is the case why did it take default to achieve promotion from the lowest league...[/p][/quote]Yes ultimately they have been promoted due to off field events but I don't think it was any disgrace in finishing 3rd behind Nelson and Formby. All 3 teams had the quality to play at a much higher level and as I stated in a previous post I think that all 3 sides would have been capable of finishing outside a relegation spot in the same league witton played in having seen quite a bit of football in both divisions last season. Nelson's side is quite frankly ridiculous for the level they play at. Their midfield 4 have all played in the football league and one has international caps and their striker Peter Wright, an FA Trophy winner was Burscough, is one of the best strikers in non league football. They also had Richie Allen up front alongside him for the best part of the season! So no disgrace in finishing 5 points adrift of them. They will be confident of achieving back to back promotions this season, Formby had walked the division the season before and been denied promotion due to ground grading problems. They maintained the bulk of that side and managed to strengthen in one or two areas as well and had a team full of players who had played a lot of evostik football and been very comfortable at that level. Following their demise I'd expect to see most of their side back playing evostik football next season. So again no disgrace in finishing behind a side like that on goal difference. Ultimately it was the start of the season that hurt 1874. As a new team they took time to gel and only took 6 points from the first 15 on offer. They finished the season unbeaten since 7th December and only drew two of those games. I would say that if the team that finished the season had come together sooner than the extra 6 points required to win that league would probably have been picked up in those first 5 games; if not, the extra 1 needed to pip Formby would certainly have been achieved. But then again maybe it wouldn't! Interestingly there is also the chance that promotion could ultimately work against 1874 in the short term. I am certain they would have won NWC Div 1 next season and that success could have been used to attract some of the fans talked about in earlier posts during any title run in. I don't think that they will win the Prem at the first attempt and quite often there is a runaway leader in that league (although not in the past couple of years) and that ends everybody else's interest quite early which could mean a lot of meaningless games towards the end of the season in the league which might hurt attempts to attract those fans. It might be that they will need a good run in the vase or the league cup (semi finalists last season) to keep interest up right through the entire season. A Barnton Wanderer
  • Score: 6

2:01am Sat 7 Jun 14

Dave Dutch Holland says...

Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground.
Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future.
It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong.
It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.
Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground. Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future. It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong. It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed. Dave Dutch Holland
  • Score: 1

8:25am Sat 7 Jun 14

ecstatic41 says...

My team have never been relegated by off field issues...or default...
My team have never been relegated by off field issues...or default... ecstatic41
  • Score: 2

11:42am Sat 7 Jun 14

Antony Rogers says...

ecstatic41 wrote:
My team have never been relegated by off field issues...or default...
Just noticed that there's more replies from Wittoners in this post than there is in their last 50 Guardian articles. Seems to me that 1874 are the talk of the town and some people are starting to flap.;)
[quote][p][bold]ecstatic41[/bold] wrote: My team have never been relegated by off field issues...or default...[/p][/quote]Just noticed that there's more replies from Wittoners in this post than there is in their last 50 Guardian articles. Seems to me that 1874 are the talk of the town and some people are starting to flap.;) Antony Rogers
  • Score: 13

3:01pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Genuine fan says...

Dave Dutch Holland wrote:
Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground.
Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future.
It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong.
It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.
Dave, I can understand your sentiments but I can not agree with them I'm afraid.
I went to my first Vics game in 1974 but now, Vics and 1874 are worlds apart when it comes to the basics of how the two clubs are run. With hindsight, Vics died for me the night Mr Rushe stood up in the Floatel to tell us he had bought Vics (and their debts) from Connett and then proceeded to destroy his "investment" season by season going down and down despite good on the pitch teams funded from goodness knows where, they are, as you say, now homeless and not even in Cheshire. Vics will never return with a bankrupt man in charge. It would seem he has no intention of stepping down as chairman but until he does they will never have any credibility. To all intents and purposes, Vics as a "Northwich" side are no more. Their "crowds" are a joke - no one really believes they get over 70 for a "home" game at Flixton despite their published figures - and stating that over 200 attended the legends game proves that when you can count the people watching, 70-80 max and that is being generous! Goodness knows what players like Goose and Degsy must have thought as to how they have fallen from the once great Non-league giants of the 70's, 80's and 90's to playing a charity game on a public park.
1874 however are the future of green football in our town, paying their dues, building relationships with charities, businesses and youth teams and just a general all round good feeling of supporting a well run and forward thinking club. We WILL be in Northwich within the next 5-7 years, of that I have no doubt and with a far better relationship with the town and it's people.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Dutch Holland[/bold] wrote: Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground. Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future. It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong. It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.[/p][/quote]Dave, I can understand your sentiments but I can not agree with them I'm afraid. I went to my first Vics game in 1974 but now, Vics and 1874 are worlds apart when it comes to the basics of how the two clubs are run. With hindsight, Vics died for me the night Mr Rushe stood up in the Floatel to tell us he had bought Vics (and their debts) from Connett and then proceeded to destroy his "investment" season by season going down and down despite good on the pitch teams funded from goodness knows where, they are, as you say, now homeless and not even in Cheshire. Vics will never return with a bankrupt man in charge. It would seem he has no intention of stepping down as chairman but until he does they will never have any credibility. To all intents and purposes, Vics as a "Northwich" side are no more. Their "crowds" are a joke - no one really believes they get over 70 for a "home" game at Flixton despite their published figures - and stating that over 200 attended the legends game proves that when you can count the people watching, 70-80 max and that is being generous! Goodness knows what players like Goose and Degsy must have thought as to how they have fallen from the once great Non-league giants of the 70's, 80's and 90's to playing a charity game on a public park. 1874 however are the future of green football in our town, paying their dues, building relationships with charities, businesses and youth teams and just a general all round good feeling of supporting a well run and forward thinking club. We WILL be in Northwich within the next 5-7 years, of that I have no doubt and with a far better relationship with the town and it's people. Genuine fan
  • Score: 4

3:13pm Sat 7 Jun 14

PrideofNorthwich says...

Antony Rogers wrote:
ecstatic41 wrote:
My team have never been relegated by off field issues...or default...
Just noticed that there's more replies from Wittoners in this post than there is in their last 50 Guardian articles. Seems to me that 1874 are the talk of the town and some people are starting to flap.;)
Not really - its good to have some local(ish) rivalry back in town ;)
[quote][p][bold]Antony Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ecstatic41[/bold] wrote: My team have never been relegated by off field issues...or default...[/p][/quote]Just noticed that there's more replies from Wittoners in this post than there is in their last 50 Guardian articles. Seems to me that 1874 are the talk of the town and some people are starting to flap.;)[/p][/quote]Not really - its good to have some local(ish) rivalry back in town ;) PrideofNorthwich
  • Score: 3

4:32pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Antony Rogers says...

PrideofNorthwich wrote:
Antony Rogers wrote:
ecstatic41 wrote:
My team have never been relegated by off field issues...or default...
Just noticed that there's more replies from Wittoners in this post than there is in their last 50 Guardian articles. Seems to me that 1874 are the talk of the town and some people are starting to flap.;)
Not really - its good to have some local(ish) rivalry back in town ;)
Something with both agree on. I will also say it's much better to have 4 replies to 50 articles relating to positive on the field activities, rather than 335 replies to 50 articles relating to negative off field activities.
[quote][p][bold]PrideofNorthwich[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Antony Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ecstatic41[/bold] wrote: My team have never been relegated by off field issues...or default...[/p][/quote]Just noticed that there's more replies from Wittoners in this post than there is in their last 50 Guardian articles. Seems to me that 1874 are the talk of the town and some people are starting to flap.;)[/p][/quote]Not really - its good to have some local(ish) rivalry back in town ;)[/p][/quote]Something with both agree on. I will also say it's much better to have 4 replies to 50 articles relating to positive on the field activities, rather than 335 replies to 50 articles relating to negative off field activities. Antony Rogers
  • Score: 2

2:19am Sun 8 Jun 14

Antony Rogers says...

Dave Dutch Holland wrote:
Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground.
Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future.
It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong.
It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.
Come to an 1874 match at the Barton Stadium Dave, there's bound to be someone there that you remember from your Drillfield days. You should think of those days at the Drillfield before the ground was sold because that is exactly what its like supporting 1874.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Dutch Holland[/bold] wrote: Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground. Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future. It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong. It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.[/p][/quote]Come to an 1874 match at the Barton Stadium Dave, there's bound to be someone there that you remember from your Drillfield days. You should think of those days at the Drillfield before the ground was sold because that is exactly what its like supporting 1874. Antony Rogers
  • Score: 7

7:08pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Dave Dutch Holland says...

I'm really not sure what to make of it all, I was under the impression that a new club would only be set up if or when Vics folded but theyre still going. They may not be the same club from the Drillfield but they're still Vics. However after google searching followed by some soul searching I now completely understand why the new club was formed. I also noticed that there's a hell of a lot more good publicity for 1874NFC compared to Vics and I can only put that down to the attraction of a new club in Northwich, will this continue or drop off?
I might try a match mid season, if only to get my hands on a burties, I may even try and get my uncle down, who knows we may getted hooked.
I'm really not sure what to make of it all, I was under the impression that a new club would only be set up if or when Vics folded but theyre still going. They may not be the same club from the Drillfield but they're still Vics. However after google searching followed by some soul searching I now completely understand why the new club was formed. I also noticed that there's a hell of a lot more good publicity for 1874NFC compared to Vics and I can only put that down to the attraction of a new club in Northwich, will this continue or drop off? I might try a match mid season, if only to get my hands on a burties, I may even try and get my uncle down, who knows we may getted hooked. Dave Dutch Holland
  • Score: 5

7:12pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Genuine fan says...

Dave, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Dave, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Genuine fan
  • Score: 1

8:34pm Sun 8 Jun 14

PrideofNorthwich says...

Dave Dutch Holland wrote:
I'm really not sure what to make of it all, I was under the impression that a new club would only be set up if or when Vics folded but theyre still going. They may not be the same club from the Drillfield but they're still Vics. However after google searching followed by some soul searching I now completely understand why the new club was formed. I also noticed that there's a hell of a lot more good publicity for 1874NFC compared to Vics and I can only put that down to the attraction of a new club in Northwich, will this continue or drop off?
I might try a match mid season, if only to get my hands on a burties, I may even try and get my uncle down, who knows we may getted hooked.
Hooked on the football or the pies? More likely the latter!
[quote][p][bold]Dave Dutch Holland[/bold] wrote: I'm really not sure what to make of it all, I was under the impression that a new club would only be set up if or when Vics folded but theyre still going. They may not be the same club from the Drillfield but they're still Vics. However after google searching followed by some soul searching I now completely understand why the new club was formed. I also noticed that there's a hell of a lot more good publicity for 1874NFC compared to Vics and I can only put that down to the attraction of a new club in Northwich, will this continue or drop off? I might try a match mid season, if only to get my hands on a burties, I may even try and get my uncle down, who knows we may getted hooked.[/p][/quote]Hooked on the football or the pies? More likely the latter! PrideofNorthwich
  • Score: 5

12:21am Tue 10 Jun 14

Vicsfan says...

Dave, Anthony Rogers is spot on! Having been to one Northwich Vics game at Flixton last season (early on in the season) I can honestly say it did not feel anything like watching our club, Northwich Vics exist in name only sadly....however a few days later I saw for myself where the life,blood,spirit.he
art,soul and proper fans of Northwich Vics were....watching 1874 at Atherton LR. From that day onwards I have followed 1874, it took a few months for me to become hooked (the many postponements didn't help) but by the end of February i was, along with many others. It really is a throw back to those wonderful Drill Field days of the 70's and 80's, the club already has a hard core 300+ support and next season will be higher in a better standard of football after a deserved promotion albeit under sad circumstances regarding Formby.

As for Northwich (Flixton) Vics, I think it is only a matter of time before the Northwich connection fizzles out completely, at that point 1874 Northwich (Vics) could well benefit even more although I wouldn't expect all of the 80 or so regulars who go to Flixton to suddenly switch....however if 1874 continue to make big steps forward then those many years watching the Greens at the very top of non league football may not be as distant was people may think....now that is sure to make fans of another club flap!

Onwards and upwards 1874.....pride of Mid Cheshire
Dave, Anthony Rogers is spot on! Having been to one Northwich Vics game at Flixton last season (early on in the season) I can honestly say it did not feel anything like watching our club, Northwich Vics exist in name only sadly....however a few days later I saw for myself where the life,blood,spirit.he art,soul and proper fans of Northwich Vics were....watching 1874 at Atherton LR. From that day onwards I have followed 1874, it took a few months for me to become hooked (the many postponements didn't help) but by the end of February i was, along with many others. It really is a throw back to those wonderful Drill Field days of the 70's and 80's, the club already has a hard core 300+ support and next season will be higher in a better standard of football after a deserved promotion albeit under sad circumstances regarding Formby. As for Northwich (Flixton) Vics, I think it is only a matter of time before the Northwich connection fizzles out completely, at that point 1874 Northwich (Vics) could well benefit even more although I wouldn't expect all of the 80 or so regulars who go to Flixton to suddenly switch....however if 1874 continue to make big steps forward then those many years watching the Greens at the very top of non league football may not be as distant was people may think....now that is sure to make fans of another club flap! Onwards and upwards 1874.....pride of Mid Cheshire Vicsfan
  • Score: 5

2:19pm Tue 10 Jun 14

jamo says...

Genuine fan wrote:
Dave Dutch Holland wrote:
Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground.
Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future.
It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong.
It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.
Dave, I can understand your sentiments but I can not agree with them I'm afraid.
I went to my first Vics game in 1974 but now, Vics and 1874 are worlds apart when it comes to the basics of how the two clubs are run. With hindsight, Vics died for me the night Mr Rushe stood up in the Floatel to tell us he had bought Vics (and their debts) from Connett and then proceeded to destroy his "investment" season by season going down and down despite good on the pitch teams funded from goodness knows where, they are, as you say, now homeless and not even in Cheshire. Vics will never return with a bankrupt man in charge. It would seem he has no intention of stepping down as chairman but until he does they will never have any credibility. To all intents and purposes, Vics as a "Northwich" side are no more. Their "crowds" are a joke - no one really believes they get over 70 for a "home" game at Flixton despite their published figures - and stating that over 200 attended the legends game proves that when you can count the people watching, 70-80 max and that is being generous! Goodness knows what players like Goose and Degsy must have thought as to how they have fallen from the once great Non-league giants of the 70's, 80's and 90's to playing a charity game on a public park.
1874 however are the future of green football in our town, paying their dues, building relationships with charities, businesses and youth teams and just a general all round good feeling of supporting a well run and forward thinking club. We WILL be in Northwich within the next 5-7 years, of that I have no doubt and with a far better relationship with the town and it's people.
wrong again.
over 120 people attended, even your secretary turned up...Mrs England.
Don't worry, Degsy enjoyed it and so did Dean and the rest...Carrsy, Cookey etc.
Dave Ryan, Malc O Connor and more besides all attended VICS games last season. Just hacked off they don't and WONT associate themselves with a newly formed Club that used money that was donated over years for the purpose of helping VICS. Some of those who donated DIED before new club was set up.
All VICS legends came in Club after for food and plenty of ale. Seeing as though you say you don't care about VICS, you have a funny way of showing it..never stop going on about VICS. Just look at the bloke called Antony Rogers twitter account. absolutely PUDDLED! Posts more about VICS than 1874.
[quote][p][bold]Genuine fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Dutch Holland[/bold] wrote: Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground. Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future. It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong. It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.[/p][/quote]Dave, I can understand your sentiments but I can not agree with them I'm afraid. I went to my first Vics game in 1974 but now, Vics and 1874 are worlds apart when it comes to the basics of how the two clubs are run. With hindsight, Vics died for me the night Mr Rushe stood up in the Floatel to tell us he had bought Vics (and their debts) from Connett and then proceeded to destroy his "investment" season by season going down and down despite good on the pitch teams funded from goodness knows where, they are, as you say, now homeless and not even in Cheshire. Vics will never return with a bankrupt man in charge. It would seem he has no intention of stepping down as chairman but until he does they will never have any credibility. To all intents and purposes, Vics as a "Northwich" side are no more. Their "crowds" are a joke - no one really believes they get over 70 for a "home" game at Flixton despite their published figures - and stating that over 200 attended the legends game proves that when you can count the people watching, 70-80 max and that is being generous! Goodness knows what players like Goose and Degsy must have thought as to how they have fallen from the once great Non-league giants of the 70's, 80's and 90's to playing a charity game on a public park. 1874 however are the future of green football in our town, paying their dues, building relationships with charities, businesses and youth teams and just a general all round good feeling of supporting a well run and forward thinking club. We WILL be in Northwich within the next 5-7 years, of that I have no doubt and with a far better relationship with the town and it's people.[/p][/quote]wrong again. over 120 people attended, even your secretary turned up...Mrs England. Don't worry, Degsy enjoyed it and so did Dean and the rest...Carrsy, Cookey etc. Dave Ryan, Malc O Connor and more besides all attended VICS games last season. Just hacked off they don't and WONT associate themselves with a newly formed Club that used money that was donated over years for the purpose of helping VICS. Some of those who donated DIED before new club was set up. All VICS legends came in Club after for food and plenty of ale. Seeing as though you say you don't care about VICS, you have a funny way of showing it..never stop going on about VICS. Just look at the bloke called Antony Rogers twitter account. absolutely PUDDLED! Posts more about VICS than 1874. jamo
  • Score: -5

3:13pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Dave Dutch Holland says...

I see somethings haven't changed, still infighting between Vics fans and now fans of the old and new clubs, why? You have all parted company so forget about the past, learn from mistakes, learn to get along or at least learn to respect and tolerate eachother.
I see somethings haven't changed, still infighting between Vics fans and now fans of the old and new clubs, why? You have all parted company so forget about the past, learn from mistakes, learn to get along or at least learn to respect and tolerate eachother. Dave Dutch Holland
  • Score: 1

8:05pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Antony Rogers says...

You are more than welcome to view my Twitter page Dave @Antony_Rogers. I have nothing to hide and everything on view is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'm not going to stoop to Jamo's level by posting his twitter username because this Guardian article is a celebration of 1874 Northwich FC's promotion to one league below JRFC.
You are more than welcome to view my Twitter page Dave @Antony_Rogers. I have nothing to hide and everything on view is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'm not going to stoop to Jamo's level by posting his twitter username because this Guardian article is a celebration of 1874 Northwich FC's promotion to one league below JRFC. Antony Rogers
  • Score: 5

11:55am Wed 11 Jun 14

NVFCmad says...

Congratulations to 1874 on our promotion to NWCFL Prem. All our thoughts and best wishes are with Formby, we've been there done that and now we're fan owned.

FAO all observers: Jamo is the perfect example of the bitter fan mentality left behind at NVFC, he and others unknowingly justify our existence with their rants, foul language and threats, this is what we have left behind.

Being part of 1874 is an experience beyond our wildest expectations, its great to have a voice that wilI heard and a vote that will be counted. Its great to be discussing on the field of play performances without worrying about off the field financial activities and irregularities.

The future is bright, the future is green, the future is 1874 Northwich FC, by the fans for the fans, it doesn't get any better than this.
Congratulations to 1874 on our promotion to NWCFL Prem. All our thoughts and best wishes are with Formby, we've been there done that and now we're fan owned. FAO all observers: Jamo is the perfect example of the bitter fan mentality left behind at NVFC, he and others unknowingly justify our existence with their rants, foul language and threats, this is what we have left behind. Being part of 1874 is an experience beyond our wildest expectations, its great to have a voice that wilI heard and a vote that will be counted. Its great to be discussing on the field of play performances without worrying about off the field financial activities and irregularities. The future is bright, the future is green, the future is 1874 Northwich FC, by the fans for the fans, it doesn't get any better than this. NVFCmad
  • Score: 4

1:00pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Genuine fan says...

jamo wrote:
Genuine fan wrote:
Dave Dutch Holland wrote:
Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground.
Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future.
It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong.
It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.
Dave, I can understand your sentiments but I can not agree with them I'm afraid.
I went to my first Vics game in 1974 but now, Vics and 1874 are worlds apart when it comes to the basics of how the two clubs are run. With hindsight, Vics died for me the night Mr Rushe stood up in the Floatel to tell us he had bought Vics (and their debts) from Connett and then proceeded to destroy his "investment" season by season going down and down despite good on the pitch teams funded from goodness knows where, they are, as you say, now homeless and not even in Cheshire. Vics will never return with a bankrupt man in charge. It would seem he has no intention of stepping down as chairman but until he does they will never have any credibility. To all intents and purposes, Vics as a "Northwich" side are no more. Their "crowds" are a joke - no one really believes they get over 70 for a "home" game at Flixton despite their published figures - and stating that over 200 attended the legends game proves that when you can count the people watching, 70-80 max and that is being generous! Goodness knows what players like Goose and Degsy must have thought as to how they have fallen from the once great Non-league giants of the 70's, 80's and 90's to playing a charity game on a public park.
1874 however are the future of green football in our town, paying their dues, building relationships with charities, businesses and youth teams and just a general all round good feeling of supporting a well run and forward thinking club. We WILL be in Northwich within the next 5-7 years, of that I have no doubt and with a far better relationship with the town and it's people.
wrong again.
over 120 people attended, even your secretary turned up...Mrs England.
Don't worry, Degsy enjoyed it and so did Dean and the rest...Carrsy, Cookey etc.
Dave Ryan, Malc O Connor and more besides all attended VICS games last season. Just hacked off they don't and WONT associate themselves with a newly formed Club that used money that was donated over years for the purpose of helping VICS. Some of those who donated DIED before new club was set up.
All VICS legends came in Club after for food and plenty of ale. Seeing as though you say you don't care about VICS, you have a funny way of showing it..never stop going on about VICS. Just look at the bloke called Antony Rogers twitter account. absolutely PUDDLED! Posts more about VICS than 1874.
Blah Blah Samo Jamo. For the eighthundredth time "Jamo", there was a legitimate and impartially monitored vote by members of the then NVFC supporters trust to decide whether OR NOT to start a new club. This was passed by 141 votes to 4 in favour, roughly 95% (that figure just won't go away will it!)
Whether or not people donated money five years ago or two years ago is irrelevent, all the members of the society AT THAT TIME were given the opportunity to vote and the vast majority did. It is a system called democracy, an idea you and your friends seem to stuggle with Sir. Or is it just a deep seated and irrational dislike for those on the board at 1874 that you have?
Oh and incidentally, there have been members of 1874 who died this year after donating money to OUR club and never got to see the seasons successfull conclusion, so please don't try to play the remorse card - YOU do not deserve it. You do however deserve JRFC - enjoy.
[quote][p][bold]jamo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genuine fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Dutch Holland[/bold] wrote: Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground. Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future. It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong. It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.[/p][/quote]Dave, I can understand your sentiments but I can not agree with them I'm afraid. I went to my first Vics game in 1974 but now, Vics and 1874 are worlds apart when it comes to the basics of how the two clubs are run. With hindsight, Vics died for me the night Mr Rushe stood up in the Floatel to tell us he had bought Vics (and their debts) from Connett and then proceeded to destroy his "investment" season by season going down and down despite good on the pitch teams funded from goodness knows where, they are, as you say, now homeless and not even in Cheshire. Vics will never return with a bankrupt man in charge. It would seem he has no intention of stepping down as chairman but until he does they will never have any credibility. To all intents and purposes, Vics as a "Northwich" side are no more. Their "crowds" are a joke - no one really believes they get over 70 for a "home" game at Flixton despite their published figures - and stating that over 200 attended the legends game proves that when you can count the people watching, 70-80 max and that is being generous! Goodness knows what players like Goose and Degsy must have thought as to how they have fallen from the once great Non-league giants of the 70's, 80's and 90's to playing a charity game on a public park. 1874 however are the future of green football in our town, paying their dues, building relationships with charities, businesses and youth teams and just a general all round good feeling of supporting a well run and forward thinking club. We WILL be in Northwich within the next 5-7 years, of that I have no doubt and with a far better relationship with the town and it's people.[/p][/quote]wrong again. over 120 people attended, even your secretary turned up...Mrs England. Don't worry, Degsy enjoyed it and so did Dean and the rest...Carrsy, Cookey etc. Dave Ryan, Malc O Connor and more besides all attended VICS games last season. Just hacked off they don't and WONT associate themselves with a newly formed Club that used money that was donated over years for the purpose of helping VICS. Some of those who donated DIED before new club was set up. All VICS legends came in Club after for food and plenty of ale. Seeing as though you say you don't care about VICS, you have a funny way of showing it..never stop going on about VICS. Just look at the bloke called Antony Rogers twitter account. absolutely PUDDLED! Posts more about VICS than 1874.[/p][/quote]Blah Blah Samo Jamo. For the eighthundredth time "Jamo", there was a legitimate and impartially monitored vote by members of the then NVFC supporters trust to decide whether OR NOT to start a new club. This was passed by 141 votes to 4 in favour, roughly 95% (that figure just won't go away will it!) Whether or not people donated money five years ago or two years ago is irrelevent, all the members of the society AT THAT TIME were given the opportunity to vote and the vast majority did. It is a system called democracy, an idea you and your friends seem to stuggle with Sir. Or is it just a deep seated and irrational dislike for those on the board at 1874 that you have? Oh and incidentally, there have been members of 1874 who died this year after donating money to OUR club and never got to see the seasons successfull conclusion, so please don't try to play the remorse card - YOU do not deserve it. You do however deserve JRFC - enjoy. Genuine fan
  • Score: 8

7:56pm Fri 13 Jun 14

NVFCmad says...

jamo wrote:
Genuine fan wrote:
Dave Dutch Holland wrote:
Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground.
Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future.
It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong.
It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.
Dave, I can understand your sentiments but I can not agree with them I'm afraid.
I went to my first Vics game in 1974 but now, Vics and 1874 are worlds apart when it comes to the basics of how the two clubs are run. With hindsight, Vics died for me the night Mr Rushe stood up in the Floatel to tell us he had bought Vics (and their debts) from Connett and then proceeded to destroy his "investment" season by season going down and down despite good on the pitch teams funded from goodness knows where, they are, as you say, now homeless and not even in Cheshire. Vics will never return with a bankrupt man in charge. It would seem he has no intention of stepping down as chairman but until he does they will never have any credibility. To all intents and purposes, Vics as a "Northwich" side are no more. Their "crowds" are a joke - no one really believes they get over 70 for a "home" game at Flixton despite their published figures - and stating that over 200 attended the legends game proves that when you can count the people watching, 70-80 max and that is being generous! Goodness knows what players like Goose and Degsy must have thought as to how they have fallen from the once great Non-league giants of the 70's, 80's and 90's to playing a charity game on a public park.
1874 however are the future of green football in our town, paying their dues, building relationships with charities, businesses and youth teams and just a general all round good feeling of supporting a well run and forward thinking club. We WILL be in Northwich within the next 5-7 years, of that I have no doubt and with a far better relationship with the town and it's people.
wrong again.
over 120 people attended, even your secretary turned up...Mrs England.
Don't worry, Degsy enjoyed it and so did Dean and the rest...Carrsy, Cookey etc.
Dave Ryan, Malc O Connor and more besides all attended VICS games last season. Just hacked off they don't and WONT associate themselves with a newly formed Club that used money that was donated over years for the purpose of helping VICS. Some of those who donated DIED before new club was set up.
All VICS legends came in Club after for food and plenty of ale. Seeing as though you say you don't care about VICS, you have a funny way of showing it..never stop going on about VICS. Just look at the bloke called Antony Rogers twitter account. absolutely PUDDLED! Posts more about VICS than 1874.
Oh my god! I've just seen the photo of the NVFC Legends match and if there is 120 fans there, I'm a monkeys uncle.
It really is a sorry state of affairs to see Vics Legends being paraded in this fashion. I can understand there excitement at the reunion but please don't insult their memories by suggesting they enjoyed playing on a public park in pink football shirts infront of no more than 40 spectators. I'm telling you now they felt pain and disappointment.
[quote][p][bold]jamo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genuine fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Dutch Holland[/bold] wrote: Just read the Northwich Guardian article by the Fly and I'm very impressed with the progress of the fans owned club 1874 Northwich FC. I was a regular Vics supporter at the Drillfield but stopped watching after the ground was sold and my uncle wouldn't pick me up and take me to Witton's ground. Even though I no longer attend Vics matches, I still class myself as a Vics follower, I still have green blood in my heart. I'm also sympathetic towards the aims and goals of 1874 NFC, I can't see myself supporting them at the moment but I do wish them all the best of luck for the future. It's a real shame that the two clubs can't work together for the greater good of green football in town, with the aim of eventually amalgamating and returning to the top tier of nonleague football where they belong. It's extremely sad to see my once favourite football club playing out of town in another county. Even worse to see no local sponsor on the shirts, even though I believe that a local company recently sponsored the Vics Legends charity match, so there must still be some interest in town for Northwich Vics, it's a real shame that other local businesses don't do the same. Anyway, I like to wish all Northwich Football clubs the very best for the fourth coming season. I may take in a Barnton match as a neutral, be great to see how they've progressed.[/p][/quote]Dave, I can understand your sentiments but I can not agree with them I'm afraid. I went to my first Vics game in 1974 but now, Vics and 1874 are worlds apart when it comes to the basics of how the two clubs are run. With hindsight, Vics died for me the night Mr Rushe stood up in the Floatel to tell us he had bought Vics (and their debts) from Connett and then proceeded to destroy his "investment" season by season going down and down despite good on the pitch teams funded from goodness knows where, they are, as you say, now homeless and not even in Cheshire. Vics will never return with a bankrupt man in charge. It would seem he has no intention of stepping down as chairman but until he does they will never have any credibility. To all intents and purposes, Vics as a "Northwich" side are no more. Their "crowds" are a joke - no one really believes they get over 70 for a "home" game at Flixton despite their published figures - and stating that over 200 attended the legends game proves that when you can count the people watching, 70-80 max and that is being generous! Goodness knows what players like Goose and Degsy must have thought as to how they have fallen from the once great Non-league giants of the 70's, 80's and 90's to playing a charity game on a public park. 1874 however are the future of green football in our town, paying their dues, building relationships with charities, businesses and youth teams and just a general all round good feeling of supporting a well run and forward thinking club. We WILL be in Northwich within the next 5-7 years, of that I have no doubt and with a far better relationship with the town and it's people.[/p][/quote]wrong again. over 120 people attended, even your secretary turned up...Mrs England. Don't worry, Degsy enjoyed it and so did Dean and the rest...Carrsy, Cookey etc. Dave Ryan, Malc O Connor and more besides all attended VICS games last season. Just hacked off they don't and WONT associate themselves with a newly formed Club that used money that was donated over years for the purpose of helping VICS. Some of those who donated DIED before new club was set up. All VICS legends came in Club after for food and plenty of ale. Seeing as though you say you don't care about VICS, you have a funny way of showing it..never stop going on about VICS. Just look at the bloke called Antony Rogers twitter account. absolutely PUDDLED! Posts more about VICS than 1874.[/p][/quote]Oh my god! I've just seen the photo of the NVFC Legends match and if there is 120 fans there, I'm a monkeys uncle. It really is a sorry state of affairs to see Vics Legends being paraded in this fashion. I can understand there excitement at the reunion but please don't insult their memories by suggesting they enjoyed playing on a public park in pink football shirts infront of no more than 40 spectators. I'm telling you now they felt pain and disappointment. NVFCmad
  • Score: 3

2:09pm Mon 16 Jun 14

jamo says...

you are a monkeys uncle then...Some sad and pathetic individual was doing a sniper impression up the hill (amongst some undergrowth..would have felt at home too.. ;) ) took a pic long after the start time of 17:00 when over 100 were there. sad actions for people who are 'not bothered' about VICS...
Spend more time and effort checking up on and posting about VICS than when they were VICS fans - even neglecting their own families...get a life for goodness sake!!!
And not 'suggesting' they enjoyed it - THEY DID ENJOY IT. don't fret over it, or go into meldown...we meet these VICS LEGENDS regularly as they are friends for life and not just on a footballing level.
And pink shirts? The LEGENDS wore GREEN AND WHITE VICS shirts. So, wrong AGAIN.
1874 say we want nothing to do with VICS...but announce rip-offs of retro VICS playing kit, and play in GREEN AND WHITE.
You say you are creating your OWN memories.
you are a monkeys uncle then...Some sad and pathetic individual was doing a sniper impression up the hill (amongst some undergrowth..would have felt at home too.. ;) ) took a pic long after the start time of 17:00 when over 100 were there. sad actions for people who are 'not bothered' about VICS... Spend more time and effort checking up on and posting about VICS than when they were VICS fans - even neglecting their own families...get a life for goodness sake!!! And not 'suggesting' they enjoyed it - THEY DID ENJOY IT. don't fret over it, or go into meldown...we meet these VICS LEGENDS regularly as they are friends for life and not just on a footballing level. And pink shirts? The LEGENDS wore GREEN AND WHITE VICS shirts. So, wrong AGAIN. 1874 say we want nothing to do with VICS...but announce rip-offs of retro VICS playing kit, and play in GREEN AND WHITE. You say you are creating your OWN memories. jamo
  • Score: -5

6:24pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Dave Dutch Holland says...

I have seen the NVFC legends team photo and confirm all the legends are in green and white hoops. If NVFC Mad is actually mad about NVFC he would have know that. I have also seen the photo taken from the hill and confirm at least 80 supporters. However this article is about 1874 NFC promotion and not the NVFC legends, so why has it been hijacked and turned it into another tit for tat argument (Somethings never change). Where is the NVFC legends Northwich Guardian post match report, where this issue should be debated, I can't find it, why not?
I have seen the NVFC legends team photo and confirm all the legends are in green and white hoops. If NVFC Mad is actually mad about NVFC he would have know that. I have also seen the photo taken from the hill and confirm at least 80 supporters. However this article is about 1874 NFC promotion and not the NVFC legends, so why has it been hijacked and turned it into another tit for tat argument (Somethings never change). Where is the NVFC legends Northwich Guardian post match report, where this issue should be debated, I can't find it, why not? Dave Dutch Holland
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Mon 16 Jun 14

ecstatic41 says...

I think 1874 need to strengthen squad due to not achieving promotion.a bigger drum needed to.pie of the year award should be within grasp....
I think 1874 need to strengthen squad due to not achieving promotion.a bigger drum needed to.pie of the year award should be within grasp.... ecstatic41
  • Score: -2

8:39pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Genuine fan says...

jamo wrote:
you are a monkeys uncle then...Some sad and pathetic individual was doing a sniper impression up the hill (amongst some undergrowth..would have felt at home too.. ;) ) took a pic long after the start time of 17:00 when over 100 were there. sad actions for people who are 'not bothered' about VICS...
Spend more time and effort checking up on and posting about VICS than when they were VICS fans - even neglecting their own families...get a life for goodness sake!!!
And not 'suggesting' they enjoyed it - THEY DID ENJOY IT. don't fret over it, or go into meldown...we meet these VICS LEGENDS regularly as they are friends for life and not just on a footballing level.
And pink shirts? The LEGENDS wore GREEN AND WHITE VICS shirts. So, wrong AGAIN.
1874 say we want nothing to do with VICS...but announce rip-offs of retro VICS playing kit, and play in GREEN AND WHITE.
You say you are creating your OWN memories.
You really don't get it do you? Your blinkers are very good Jamo, you just pull what you want from replies and only reply to the bits you are comfortable with - have you ever considered a career in politics. 1874 owes its existence to Vics and their shambolic ruination of a former great little club - OF COURSE WE WEAR GREEN AND WHITE, WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THE FACT OF OUR HERITAGE AS VICS FANS (the colours were chosen by our fans). Its just that Vics, to 95% of the fanbase, is dead, we have taken our soul (ie the fans) and restarted with a club to be proud of all over again. If you really want Vics to return the only way is for Jimmyboy to take a long walk into the sunset. Even then who the hell will seriously look at Vics as a going concern with their track record over the past 15 years? The green and white future of football for our town is 1874 and you bloody well know it, you are just can't bring yourself to admit that you made the wrong choice - Vics are hated in the football world by those who know and care enough - not for their style of football, but for their lack of morality. Personally I couldn't give a hoot about how many went to this non event. You are as usual are missing the point. I find it absolutely amazing that you and your colleagues still support Mr Rushe even from behind the pretence of it being "Our Club". It's not your club its his, as he has stated many times.He has done nothing for Vics - dropped 3 leagues and lost a state of the art stadium all in the space of seven years. Some going.
If you want to talk about the legends match why don't you do it on your Manchester club's forum? Or is it still "down for maintenance"?

Dave, The reason I would guess that the Guardian don't cover "Northwich" Victoria is because they are not based in Mid-Cheshire, haven't been for a while now and show absolutely no intention of ever returning other than the words of an untrustworthy individual. They are the pariahs of Non-league especially when you look at the many other clubs who have made the hard decision to either fold because they couldn't afford or drop down to a level they can afford, ask yourself how Vics manage it on crowds of less than 100 (and they are less than 100) with rent and bills to pay with a bankrupt chairman in charge with no visible means of support - where is their money coming from?
[quote][p][bold]jamo[/bold] wrote: you are a monkeys uncle then...Some sad and pathetic individual was doing a sniper impression up the hill (amongst some undergrowth..would have felt at home too.. ;) ) took a pic long after the start time of 17:00 when over 100 were there. sad actions for people who are 'not bothered' about VICS... Spend more time and effort checking up on and posting about VICS than when they were VICS fans - even neglecting their own families...get a life for goodness sake!!! And not 'suggesting' they enjoyed it - THEY DID ENJOY IT. don't fret over it, or go into meldown...we meet these VICS LEGENDS regularly as they are friends for life and not just on a footballing level. And pink shirts? The LEGENDS wore GREEN AND WHITE VICS shirts. So, wrong AGAIN. 1874 say we want nothing to do with VICS...but announce rip-offs of retro VICS playing kit, and play in GREEN AND WHITE. You say you are creating your OWN memories.[/p][/quote]You really don't get it do you? Your blinkers are very good Jamo, you just pull what you want from replies and only reply to the bits you are comfortable with - have you ever considered a career in politics. 1874 owes its existence to Vics and their shambolic ruination of a former great little club - OF COURSE WE WEAR GREEN AND WHITE, WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THE FACT OF OUR HERITAGE AS VICS FANS (the colours were chosen by our fans). Its just that Vics, to 95% of the fanbase, is dead, we have taken our soul (ie the fans) and restarted with a club to be proud of all over again. If you really want Vics to return the only way is for Jimmyboy to take a long walk into the sunset. Even then who the hell will seriously look at Vics as a going concern with their track record over the past 15 years? The green and white future of football for our town is 1874 and you bloody well know it, you are just can't bring yourself to admit that you made the wrong choice - Vics are hated in the football world by those who know and care enough - not for their style of football, but for their lack of morality. Personally I couldn't give a hoot about how many went to this non event. You are as usual are missing the point. I find it absolutely amazing that you and your colleagues still support Mr Rushe even from behind the pretence of it being "Our Club". It's not your club its his, as he has stated many times.He has done nothing for Vics - dropped 3 leagues and lost a state of the art stadium all in the space of seven years. Some going. If you want to talk about the legends match why don't you do it on your Manchester club's forum? Or is it still "down for maintenance"? Dave, The reason I would guess that the Guardian don't cover "Northwich" Victoria is because they are not based in Mid-Cheshire, haven't been for a while now and show absolutely no intention of ever returning other than the words of an untrustworthy individual. They are the pariahs of Non-league especially when you look at the many other clubs who have made the hard decision to either fold because they couldn't afford or drop down to a level they can afford, ask yourself how Vics manage it on crowds of less than 100 (and they are less than 100) with rent and bills to pay with a bankrupt chairman in charge with no visible means of support - where is their money coming from? Genuine fan
  • Score: 8

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