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HS2 will change all of our lives

Northwich Guardian: HS2 will change all of our lives HS2 will change all of our lives

MANY people feel that HS2 will not concern or bother them because they will not be able to see it, and construction won’t begin for at least 10 to 15 years from now, so why worry.

But what if it does go ahead?

I seriously wonder if all the villagers of Stanthorne, Bostock, Whatcroft, Lostock Green, Lach Dennis, Lostock Gralam, Wincham and Pickmere realise the dramatic changes to their way of life that HS2 will impose upon them.

By the way, neither will Northwich, with its ambitious redevelopment plans, escape the problems that the construction phase will cause.

There will be at least six to seven years of blocked roads and heavy plant moving around our villages.

Think about the effect on traffic using Manchester Road, Pickmere Lane, Linnards Lane, Flittogate Lane, Plumley Moor Road, Penny's Lane, Birches Lane, Davenham Road, Crowders Lane, Holmes Chapel Road, Whatcroft Hall Lane, not forgetting the A556, the A559 and King Street.

I’m sure I’ve missed some roads that will also feel the effects.

There is the strong possibility of large encampment being required to house site workers. Machinery and materials will have to stored off site. The construction corridor will be 200 metres wide and spoil from the construction will have to be dumped somewhere.

Even if construction does not start for 10 or so years, it has already begun to affect you.

It is inordinately expensive and environmentally damaging.

Think of the current effect of subsidence caused by brine and salt extraction.

It is one of the most expensive projects supported by Government in the past 40 years.

It has the weakest justification, business case and rationale.

It relies on the notion that time savings for high income passengers translates into huge economic gains, largely based on the notion that time spent on trains is non-productive – haven’t they heard of WiFi on trains?

The forecasts for future demand levels take no account of the rapid growth in video conferencing and ignores the future rapid development of electronic communication.

Who had a smart phone 15 years ago?

Finally, there will be no access to HS2 unless you travel to Manchester or Birmingham.

I would love to hear from those who favour HS2 as to how this will benefit those of us who live and work in Cheshire?

Ewen Simpson Whatcroft Northwich

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7:04am Thu 17 Jul 14

jbzoom says...

This is scaremongering. HS2 will be a lot less nuisance than another M6 (which we would need if we don't have HS2).
And contains several untrue statements. On-the-surface construction does not cause the subsidence that brine-pumping can. The business case for HS2 is positive and by more than the 15bn pound Crossrail - which is being enthusiastically welcomed by Londoners. Every advance in communications - the penny post, the telegraph, the telephone, the internet and video-conferencing - has been accompanied by an INCREASE in travel, because advanced communications improves a business person's ability to assess whether a journey will be worthwhile. Finally, there will be HS2 access for the people of Cheshire at Crewe (incorporated as a result of consultation).
In due course he people of Cheshire will also benefit from freed up capacity on lines, to Manchester, Birmingham, etc.
This is scaremongering. HS2 will be a lot less nuisance than another M6 (which we would need if we don't have HS2). And contains several untrue statements. On-the-surface construction does not cause the subsidence that brine-pumping can. The business case for HS2 is positive and by more than the 15bn pound Crossrail - which is being enthusiastically welcomed by Londoners. Every advance in communications - the penny post, the telegraph, the telephone, the internet and video-conferencing - has been accompanied by an INCREASE in travel, because advanced communications improves a business person's ability to assess whether a journey will be worthwhile. Finally, there will be HS2 access for the people of Cheshire at Crewe (incorporated as a result of consultation). In due course he people of Cheshire will also benefit from freed up capacity on lines, to Manchester, Birmingham, etc. jbzoom
  • Score: 2

10:05am Thu 17 Jul 14

Kit Kat Koo says...

I fully agree Ewan.

I grew up in Wincham and now live in Rudheath, this will cause massive disruption to village life and for what? A few minutes faster travel to London, yet again the political class imposing planning developments onto local communities that the people simply do not want.

I am all for modernisation but this is a poorly thought out project, it does fit in quite nicely with the EU TEN-T policy however.

This is yet another example of our inept polititions stupidity, we also have aircraft carriers without aircraft until 2020, what are our pilots supposed to do? Use harsh language???? buffoonery of the highest order and all delivered at three times the cost to the tax payer and not on time!

If our politicians were in the private sector, they would be sacked, some would be at her majesties pleasure too!
I fully agree Ewan. I grew up in Wincham and now live in Rudheath, this will cause massive disruption to village life and for what? A few minutes faster travel to London, yet again the political class imposing planning developments onto local communities that the people simply do not want. I am all for modernisation but this is a poorly thought out project, it does fit in quite nicely with the EU TEN-T policy however. This is yet another example of our inept polititions stupidity, we also have aircraft carriers without aircraft until 2020, what are our pilots supposed to do? Use harsh language???? buffoonery of the highest order and all delivered at three times the cost to the tax payer and not on time! If our politicians were in the private sector, they would be sacked, some would be at her majesties pleasure too! Kit Kat Koo
  • Score: -4

4:42pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Andy_Cheshire says...

Yep more scaremongering. Blocked roads and all. Next you will tell all the sky will fall in!

Visitbthe small villages of northern France and talk to the locals to getba real view.

As to access only from Manchester or Birmingham. What are the developments at Manchester Airport and Crewe for?
Yep more scaremongering. Blocked roads and all. Next you will tell all the sky will fall in! Visitbthe small villages of northern France and talk to the locals to getba real view. As to access only from Manchester or Birmingham. What are the developments at Manchester Airport and Crewe for? Andy_Cheshire
  • Score: 6

12:17am Mon 21 Jul 14

L Byrne says...

I am reluctant to get into this debate but there is one issue that I would like to raise because it never seems to get a mention.

That is the likely cost of a return ticket from Manchester to London , at today's prices, on the HS2.

I understand that it will be at least £400.

If that information was widely publicised , I believe it would help people decide whether or not they support the project.
I am reluctant to get into this debate but there is one issue that I would like to raise because it never seems to get a mention. That is the likely cost of a return ticket from Manchester to London , at today's prices, on the HS2. I understand that it will be at least £400. If that information was widely publicised , I believe it would help people decide whether or not they support the project. L Byrne
  • Score: -9

5:12pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Local Fella says...

Re..The heading,
I would like to ask.... How will having a HS2 line to London improve MY life, What will it change for me.

I'm nearing retirement age and I have only been to London once on a school trip (a long time ago!! ) and have no plans to visit our capital city, i can 't see is has any benefit to me, all i can see is its a waste of my taxes. As i say (and i bet nobody can answer it) how will it change my life ??
Re..The heading, I would like to ask.... How will having a HS2 line to London improve MY life, What will it change for me. I'm nearing retirement age and I have only been to London once on a school trip (a long time ago!! ) and have no plans to visit our capital city, i can 't see is has any benefit to me, all i can see is its a waste of my taxes. As i say (and i bet nobody can answer it) how will it change my life ?? Local Fella
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Local Fella says...

Local Fella wrote:
Re..The heading,
I would like to ask.... How will having a HS2 line to London improve MY life, What will it change for me.

I'm nearing retirement age and I have only been to London once on a school trip (a long time ago!! ) and have no plans to visit our capital city, i can 't see is has any benefit to me, all i can see is its a waste of my taxes. As i say (and i bet nobody can answer it) how will it change my life ??
Instead of giving me a minus like (which doesn't actually bother me) why don't you answer the question that i set to all. The article heading says that it will change all our lives... so i ask again how will it change mine.
[quote][p][bold]Local Fella[/bold] wrote: Re..The heading, I would like to ask.... How will having a HS2 line to London improve MY life, What will it change for me. I'm nearing retirement age and I have only been to London once on a school trip (a long time ago!! ) and have no plans to visit our capital city, i can 't see is has any benefit to me, all i can see is its a waste of my taxes. As i say (and i bet nobody can answer it) how will it change my life ??[/p][/quote]Instead of giving me a minus like (which doesn't actually bother me) why don't you answer the question that i set to all. The article heading says that it will change all our lives... so i ask again how will it change mine. Local Fella
  • Score: -19

3:12am Thu 24 Jul 14

I am not a Trainspotter says...

63 services to London leave Crewe each day. Over 40 are fast taking around 90 minutes. Unemployment in Crewe is well below the national average. So all this bunk about jobs and needing more trains from Crewe is stupid. Yes Travel by train had increased but it is doing so mainly around London and the South east. Long distance demand is actually FALLING due to technology. And the average train arriving at Euston at peak is less than half full.

When envoronmental impact is considered HS2 adds to Carbon emissions for over 80yrs., by which time it will probably be out of service.

The real reason for HS2 is land grabbing and money making for cronies, no coincidence Osbournes Fracking and Train consulting dad is involved. The top 3 HS2 directors get 1.75 million pound per year in pay. That would pay for 70 traines nurses!!!

PS I see the usual non local rail trolls have commented
63 services to London leave Crewe each day. Over 40 are fast taking around 90 minutes. Unemployment in Crewe is well below the national average. So all this bunk about jobs and needing more trains from Crewe is stupid. Yes Travel by train had increased but it is doing so mainly around London and the South east. Long distance demand is actually FALLING due to technology. And the average train arriving at Euston at peak is less than half full. When envoronmental impact is considered HS2 adds to Carbon emissions for over 80yrs., by which time it will probably be out of service. The real reason for HS2 is land grabbing and money making for cronies, no coincidence Osbournes Fracking and Train consulting dad is involved. The top 3 HS2 directors get 1.75 million pound per year in pay. That would pay for 70 traines nurses!!! PS I see the usual non local rail trolls have commented I am not a Trainspotter
  • Score: 10

2:33pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Jamie Kelly says...

L Byrne wrote:
I am reluctant to get into this debate but there is one issue that I would like to raise because it never seems to get a mention.

That is the likely cost of a return ticket from Manchester to London , at today's prices, on the HS2.

I understand that it will be at least £400.

If that information was widely publicised , I believe it would help people decide whether or not they support the project.
Before being widely publicised, it should be widely verified. I believe that the potential prices and the brackets of price haven't been published yet. As a result, it can't be published as factual unless there is some sort of evidence to present.
[quote][p][bold]L Byrne[/bold] wrote: I am reluctant to get into this debate but there is one issue that I would like to raise because it never seems to get a mention. That is the likely cost of a return ticket from Manchester to London , at today's prices, on the HS2. I understand that it will be at least £400. If that information was widely publicised , I believe it would help people decide whether or not they support the project.[/p][/quote]Before being widely publicised, it should be widely verified. I believe that the potential prices and the brackets of price haven't been published yet. As a result, it can't be published as factual unless there is some sort of evidence to present. Jamie Kelly
  • Score: 9
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