Kitchen Garden trader blames state of Weaver Square Shopping Centre for lack of custom

Trader blames shopping centre for lack of custom

Dave Hodkinson in the empty Weaver Square where he opened his shop nine months ago.

Dave has been forced to close the Kitchen Garden because there is no passing trade in the formerly thriving Weaver Square Shopping Centre.

First published in News

A TRADER says he has been forced to close his Northwich shop after just nine months because of the state of the town centre.

Dave Hodkinson said he was losing thousands of pounds a month keeping The Kitchen Garden open in Weaver Square Shopping Centre.

He said some days he would take as little as £30 over the counter and feared that keeping it open threatened the future of his original business, Acton Bridge Garden Centre.

"I'm losing £2,000 a month and it's putting huge pressure on the garden centre," he said.

"It cost £15,000 to set the shop up and I've lost £18,000 since I opened – the only months I made any money were November and December.

"The shop was there to improve the garden centre business but it's put it right back on the back foot and put it in a difficult position."

Dave blamed the state of Weaver Square Shopping Centre for the shop's failure.

"How can you spend £20million on the new Hayhurst Quay, £15million on the new Memorial Court across the road and £5million on road improvements and have the entrance to Northwich as a shopping centre full of empty shops that's not been decorated for years?" he said.

"It's horrible, it's not fit for purpose."

The troubled centre went into receivership in August 2012 when Nationwide Building Society called in receivers Colliers International to take over its management from owners, Weaver Square Investments Ltd.

Dave criticised how it was being run at Northwich Town Council's April meeting, saying he felt it had been abandoned by Nationwide, Colliers and landlord Cheshire West and Chester Council, in a bid to prompt action.

"Nothing has been done in nine months and I can't see it getting any better," Dave said.

"I was going to hold on until Christmas but I'm losing too much money."

Dave now fears that because he signed a five-year lease he will still be paying for the shop for the next four years.

"Basically I'm liable to pay rent, rates and utility bills for the next four years," he said.

"Unless you're released from your lease you're classed as the legal owner."

Colliers International declined to comment.

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10:53am Wed 27 Aug 14

Ricky12 says...

To be fair, I'm not a shopkeeper but I could have told him not to open a shop there! Anyone who opens a unit on that side of town is crazy. Why would the fishmongers move across to the other side after being in the same location for years? It's not always someone else's fault. Common sense sometimes applies too.
To be fair, I'm not a shopkeeper but I could have told him not to open a shop there! Anyone who opens a unit on that side of town is crazy. Why would the fishmongers move across to the other side after being in the same location for years? It's not always someone else's fault. Common sense sometimes applies too. Ricky12
  • Score: -10

11:22am Wed 27 Aug 14

widge says...

I'm afraid I have to second that.
I'm afraid I have to second that. widge
  • Score: -21

11:39am Wed 27 Aug 14

MrT1976 says...

......and third it
......and third it MrT1976
  • Score: -33

1:54pm Wed 27 Aug 14

m cuddington says...

So our CWACky council is the landlord.
They claim to want to promote new and more small businesses.

I've some sympathy with this trader but for those who say 'I told you so' please realise that in so doing you are endorsing the relentless advance of dog-eat-dog market capitalism.

That's why the precinct is dead.
The council could do something to solve this situation but seem to prefer big price ticket projects linked to big business and it's finance.
So our CWACky council is the landlord. They claim to want to promote new and more small businesses. I've some sympathy with this trader but for those who say 'I told you so' please realise that in so doing you are endorsing the relentless advance of dog-eat-dog market capitalism. That's why the precinct is dead. The council could do something to solve this situation but seem to prefer big price ticket projects linked to big business and it's finance. m cuddington
  • Score: -2

2:38pm Wed 27 Aug 14

John_Harrison says...

I think everyone shares the same sentiment really - pretty poor research on the shopkeepers part.

"There are no customers in Weaver Square" is as obvious as the "There's a big industrial works in Winnington" story a few weeks back.

Bad business call I'm afraid, but we all make mistakes - hopefully he's able to get out of the lease somehow while there's still something in Acton Bridge to fall back... fingers crossed!
I think everyone shares the same sentiment really - pretty poor research on the shopkeepers part. "There are no customers in Weaver Square" is as obvious as the "There's a big industrial works in Winnington" story a few weeks back. Bad business call I'm afraid, but we all make mistakes - hopefully he's able to get out of the lease somehow while there's still something in Acton Bridge to fall back... fingers crossed! John_Harrison
  • Score: 2

3:26pm Wed 27 Aug 14

L Byrne says...

Sad news about Dave Hodkinson's shop but all credit to him for giving it a go.

Unfortunately this is just a pretaste of the damage that will be inflicted on small and medium sized retailers in Northwich when CWAC Council brings the new ASDA supermarket into the centre of the town. It will simply obliterate the smaller stores who may stand in its way partially because it cannot compete with Aldi or Lidl.

The irony is that as the property developer of the Barons Quay site, CWAC Council, to whom the small shopkeepers pay their rates and taxes, has a vested interest in the success of the ASDA store. It is therefore no surprise that the Council did not lift a finger to assist Mr Hodginson because it is not in its interests to do so and the same treatment will no doubt be applied to other small retailers around the town when the time comes.

The pending carnage to small and medium size retails was predictable at the time that the Council was imploring ASDA to favour Northwich with its presence but it has chosen to ignore it. The clique who made the decision obviously believe that they will be 'better off at ASDA' but the town will certainly suffer.
Sad news about Dave Hodkinson's shop but all credit to him for giving it a go. Unfortunately this is just a pretaste of the damage that will be inflicted on small and medium sized retailers in Northwich when CWAC Council brings the new ASDA supermarket into the centre of the town. It will simply obliterate the smaller stores who may stand in its way partially because it cannot compete with Aldi or Lidl. The irony is that as the property developer of the Barons Quay site, CWAC Council, to whom the small shopkeepers pay their rates and taxes, has a vested interest in the success of the ASDA store. It is therefore no surprise that the Council did not lift a finger to assist Mr Hodginson because it is not in its interests to do so and the same treatment will no doubt be applied to other small retailers around the town when the time comes. The pending carnage to small and medium size retails was predictable at the time that the Council was imploring ASDA to favour Northwich with its presence but it has chosen to ignore it. The clique who made the decision obviously believe that they will be 'better off at ASDA' but the town will certainly suffer. L Byrne
  • Score: -14

4:24pm Wed 27 Aug 14

dave hodkinson says...

dave hodkinson

the research
the footfall was enough for what i needed to make the shop work what was not made known to me was that o2 was being relocated this is the same company that told me that a cafe was going in the corner a well known clothes shop was coming in the square
the management company colliers were very excited about my arrival and never once down played the square
in reality they did nothing they were going to spruce the place up most of the bulbs don't work etc
weaver square is excluded from town events the artisan market is not in the square yet it was brought in to the town to increase footfall
i beleave that the square will be knocked down for a car-park once asda is here
i think the town council and cwac could have done a lot more to help the square i had lobbied them numerous times with no success
i was proud to open the shop in northwich my home town
i will take criticism that i should have done more research indeed i ask the owner the fishmonger he told me not to go in there he was right i was wrong
however i think the nationwide building society northwich town council and cwac and colliers all should hang there heads in shame for what they have let happen to a once thriving community of independent shops
now being overtaken with super market s how many at the last count ?
dave hodkinson the research the footfall was enough for what i needed to make the shop work what was not made known to me was that o2 was being relocated this is the same company that told me that a cafe was going in the corner a well known clothes shop was coming in the square the management company colliers were very excited about my arrival and never once down played the square in reality they did nothing they were going to spruce the place up most of the bulbs don't work etc weaver square is excluded from town events the artisan market is not in the square yet it was brought in to the town to increase footfall i beleave that the square will be knocked down for a car-park once asda is here i think the town council and cwac could have done a lot more to help the square i had lobbied them numerous times with no success i was proud to open the shop in northwich my home town i will take criticism that i should have done more research indeed i ask the owner the fishmonger he told me not to go in there he was right i was wrong however i think the nationwide building society northwich town council and cwac and colliers all should hang there heads in shame for what they have let happen to a once thriving community of independent shops now being overtaken with super market s how many at the last count ? dave hodkinson
  • Score: 7

6:42pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Daniel18 says...

m cuddington wrote:
So our CWACky council is the landlord.
They claim to want to promote new and more small businesses.

I've some sympathy with this trader but for those who say 'I told you so' please realise that in so doing you are endorsing the relentless advance of dog-eat-dog market capitalism.

That's why the precinct is dead.
The council could do something to solve this situation but seem to prefer big price ticket projects linked to big business and it's finance.
Weaver Square is not owned by CWAC, it is owned by Colliers & Nationwide.

Unfortunately, I have to say that I agree with the majority of the commentators on this page, the majority of people know that Weaver Square is dead.

The shop units are unlikely to be filled as they are all too small for the majority of retailers.
[quote][p][bold]m cuddington[/bold] wrote: So our CWACky council is the landlord. They claim to want to promote new and more small businesses. I've some sympathy with this trader but for those who say 'I told you so' please realise that in so doing you are endorsing the relentless advance of dog-eat-dog market capitalism. That's why the precinct is dead. The council could do something to solve this situation but seem to prefer big price ticket projects linked to big business and it's finance.[/p][/quote]Weaver Square is not owned by CWAC, it is owned by Colliers & Nationwide. Unfortunately, I have to say that I agree with the majority of the commentators on this page, the majority of people know that Weaver Square is dead. The shop units are unlikely to be filled as they are all too small for the majority of retailers. Daniel18
  • Score: 12

7:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Al Junior says...

What is the future of Weaver Square, maybe more apartments or a Morrisons?
What is the future of Weaver Square, maybe more apartments or a Morrisons? Al Junior
  • Score: 5

10:41pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Northwich Resident says...

Weaver Square has no future, nor does the market. The whole area needs to be replaced with housing (not retirement flats!) to bring a bit of life into the town centre. The market stalls could be relocated to the new Barons Quay development.
Weaver Square has no future, nor does the market. The whole area needs to be replaced with housing (not retirement flats!) to bring a bit of life into the town centre. The market stalls could be relocated to the new Barons Quay development. Northwich Resident
  • Score: 11

10:54pm Wed 27 Aug 14

47thmoon says...

not long now and those CWAC council crackers will be donning their banana skin shoes, red cherry noses and green wigs to come knocking on your door asking for your vote?????
not long now and those CWAC council crackers will be donning their banana skin shoes, red cherry noses and green wigs to come knocking on your door asking for your vote????? 47thmoon
  • Score: -4

11:35pm Wed 27 Aug 14

L Byrne says...

The points being made above about retail units being in the town centre 'too small' are misplaced. The essence of a shopping experience that will attract customers and visitors to the town is a number of small and interesting outlets in a pleasing setting.

The alternative of having many more large shops in the centre of Northwich would turn it into something like Cheshire Oaks which is not what the people of Northwich want . Funny enough that is exactly what I was told is CWAC Council's real intention by one of their more looney planning people at an event last year. Its all about generating business rates income, apparently.

The new issue we have to contend with is that, as the developer, CWAC Council will effectively be in the retail business in Barons Quay in partnership with ASDA. As such, the Council will be in competition with the small and large retailers in the town who sell the same products as ASDA. That will include the fish monger, green grocers, coffee shops, butchers, clothes shops, grocery products, books and so on. This is a scandalous and unjust state of affairs which will have adverse consequences for the public and the town and should not be allowed to happen. It is a mystery to me why the larger retailers such as Sainsbury's and Tesco put up with it.
The points being made above about retail units being in the town centre 'too small' are misplaced. The essence of a shopping experience that will attract customers and visitors to the town is a number of small and interesting outlets in a pleasing setting. The alternative of having many more large shops in the centre of Northwich would turn it into something like Cheshire Oaks which is not what the people of Northwich want . Funny enough that is exactly what I was told is CWAC Council's real intention by one of their more looney planning people at an event last year. Its all about generating business rates income, apparently. The new issue we have to contend with is that, as the developer, CWAC Council will effectively be in the retail business in Barons Quay in partnership with ASDA. As such, the Council will be in competition with the small and large retailers in the town who sell the same products as ASDA. That will include the fish monger, green grocers, coffee shops, butchers, clothes shops, grocery products, books and so on. This is a scandalous and unjust state of affairs which will have adverse consequences for the public and the town and should not be allowed to happen. It is a mystery to me why the larger retailers such as Sainsbury's and Tesco put up with it. L Byrne
  • Score: -11

7:11am Thu 28 Aug 14

northwichboy says...

It doesn't matter if the square is a carpark, northwich town centre is a shambles full stop anything is better than empty shops going rotton . Myself like many family's I know have to venture into Altrincham Warrington chester to be able give decent shops. Boots only has a small section on offer there is no kids toy shops the B&Q is only small and sports direct on the outside of town is smelly and scratty. There are plenty of charity shops though. The whole place needs re planning wrexham is a good example of bad made good.
It doesn't matter if the square is a carpark, northwich town centre is a shambles full stop anything is better than empty shops going rotton . Myself like many family's I know have to venture into Altrincham Warrington chester to be able give decent shops. Boots only has a small section on offer there is no kids toy shops the B&Q is only small and sports direct on the outside of town is smelly and scratty. There are plenty of charity shops though. The whole place needs re planning wrexham is a good example of bad made good. northwichboy
  • Score: 3

11:42pm Thu 28 Aug 14

m cuddington says...

Daniel18 wrote:
m cuddington wrote:
So our CWACky council is the landlord.
They claim to want to promote new and more small businesses.

I've some sympathy with this trader but for those who say 'I told you so' please realise that in so doing you are endorsing the relentless advance of dog-eat-dog market capitalism.

That's why the precinct is dead.
The council could do something to solve this situation but seem to prefer big price ticket projects linked to big business and it's finance.
Weaver Square is not owned by CWAC, it is owned by Colliers & Nationwide.

Unfortunately, I have to say that I agree with the majority of the commentators on this page, the majority of people know that Weaver Square is dead.

The shop units are unlikely to be filled as they are all too small for the majority of retailers.
The article says quite clearly that CWaC is the landlord.
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m cuddington[/bold] wrote: So our CWACky council is the landlord. They claim to want to promote new and more small businesses. I've some sympathy with this trader but for those who say 'I told you so' please realise that in so doing you are endorsing the relentless advance of dog-eat-dog market capitalism. That's why the precinct is dead. The council could do something to solve this situation but seem to prefer big price ticket projects linked to big business and it's finance.[/p][/quote]Weaver Square is not owned by CWAC, it is owned by Colliers & Nationwide. Unfortunately, I have to say that I agree with the majority of the commentators on this page, the majority of people know that Weaver Square is dead. The shop units are unlikely to be filled as they are all too small for the majority of retailers.[/p][/quote]The article says quite clearly that CWaC is the landlord. m cuddington
  • Score: -7

12:14pm Fri 29 Aug 14

markust says...

Daniel18 wrote:
m cuddington wrote:
So our CWACky council is the landlord.
They claim to want to promote new and more small businesses.

I've some sympathy with this trader but for those who say 'I told you so' please realise that in so doing you are endorsing the relentless advance of dog-eat-dog market capitalism.

That's why the precinct is dead.
The council could do something to solve this situation but seem to prefer big price ticket projects linked to big business and it's finance.
Weaver Square is not owned by CWAC, it is owned by Colliers & Nationwide.

Unfortunately, I have to say that I agree with the majority of the commentators on this page, the majority of people know that Weaver Square is dead.

The shop units are unlikely to be filled as they are all too small for the majority of retailers.
A small portion of Weaver Square IS owned by CWaC. Mainly the lower end towards the bull ring.
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m cuddington[/bold] wrote: So our CWACky council is the landlord. They claim to want to promote new and more small businesses. I've some sympathy with this trader but for those who say 'I told you so' please realise that in so doing you are endorsing the relentless advance of dog-eat-dog market capitalism. That's why the precinct is dead. The council could do something to solve this situation but seem to prefer big price ticket projects linked to big business and it's finance.[/p][/quote]Weaver Square is not owned by CWAC, it is owned by Colliers & Nationwide. Unfortunately, I have to say that I agree with the majority of the commentators on this page, the majority of people know that Weaver Square is dead. The shop units are unlikely to be filled as they are all too small for the majority of retailers.[/p][/quote]A small portion of Weaver Square IS owned by CWaC. Mainly the lower end towards the bull ring. markust
  • Score: -5

4:15pm Fri 29 Aug 14

todayisagreatday says...

northwichboy wrote:
It doesn't matter if the square is a carpark, northwich town centre is a shambles full stop anything is better than empty shops going rotton . Myself like many family's I know have to venture into Altrincham Warrington chester to be able give decent shops. Boots only has a small section on offer there is no kids toy shops the B&Q is only small and sports direct on the outside of town is smelly and scratty. There are plenty of charity shops though. The whole place needs re planning wrexham is a good example of bad made good.
Or Stockton Heath, nice independent shops too.
[quote][p][bold]northwichboy[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter if the square is a carpark, northwich town centre is a shambles full stop anything is better than empty shops going rotton . Myself like many family's I know have to venture into Altrincham Warrington chester to be able give decent shops. Boots only has a small section on offer there is no kids toy shops the B&Q is only small and sports direct on the outside of town is smelly and scratty. There are plenty of charity shops though. The whole place needs re planning wrexham is a good example of bad made good.[/p][/quote]Or Stockton Heath, nice independent shops too. todayisagreatday
  • Score: 1

5:29pm Fri 29 Aug 14

onered says...

I understand Cheshire West & Chester Council only own the Units on two sides of the Indoor Market.
I understand Cheshire West & Chester Council only own the Units on two sides of the Indoor Market. onered
  • Score: 6

11:48pm Fri 29 Aug 14

back4good says...

All the shops are squeezing themselves together! Love the fact that Gregg's moved and directly competes with Costa! Come on Gregg's! How unpleasant is sitting in Costa with the infuriating and most definitely not relaxing noise of coffee machines and incessant banging of emptying coffee filters! Probably on my own there! We need more desirable shops in northwich, i am often off to Warrington for shopping in b&q (ours doesn't have the selection) toysrus, home furnishings etc. I witness the death of the town centre every week, how are half of the shops even making a profit? its sad, i much prefer going to the butchers, greengrocers than the evil that is tesco, their produce is much superior and more cost effective. My final comment, asda's produce is so poor and its not that cheap, they are well overrated. When you choose the supermarkets over independent retailers, you spend double because they get you to buy a load of crap you didn't even want and you don't even know how that happened. We don't want asda, I say boycott them.
All the shops are squeezing themselves together! Love the fact that Gregg's moved and directly competes with Costa! Come on Gregg's! How unpleasant is sitting in Costa with the infuriating and most definitely not relaxing noise of coffee machines and incessant banging of emptying coffee filters! Probably on my own there! We need more desirable shops in northwich, i am often off to Warrington for shopping in b&q (ours doesn't have the selection) toysrus, home furnishings etc. I witness the death of the town centre every week, how are half of the shops even making a profit? its sad, i much prefer going to the butchers, greengrocers than the evil that is tesco, their produce is much superior and more cost effective. My final comment, asda's produce is so poor and its not that cheap, they are well overrated. When you choose the supermarkets over independent retailers, you spend double because they get you to buy a load of crap you didn't even want and you don't even know how that happened. We don't want asda, I say boycott them. back4good
  • Score: 4

7:43pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Loftylofthouse says...

A large tesco,
A large waitrose
A medium CO OP
A medium M&S
A large Aldi
A large Lidle
A large Asda to come..

Have I missed any?


I'd open a magic shop..........and make half of them disappear
A large tesco, A large waitrose A medium CO OP A medium M&S A large Aldi A large Lidle A large Asda to come.. Have I missed any? I'd open a magic shop..........and make half of them disappear Loftylofthouse
  • Score: -10

7:53pm Sat 30 Aug 14

gary_northwich says...

I was at the card shop in weaver square looking towards Daves shop and the closed part of quality save when it occurred to me that the main reason there is no footfall is because that door shut when woollies closed.. Was in quality save earlier and it was rammed.. Could quality save not be.convinced to put the tills at that end and reopen that door onto weaver square?
I was at the card shop in weaver square looking towards Daves shop and the closed part of quality save when it occurred to me that the main reason there is no footfall is because that door shut when woollies closed.. Was in quality save earlier and it was rammed.. Could quality save not be.convinced to put the tills at that end and reopen that door onto weaver square? gary_northwich
  • Score: 7

8:43pm Sat 30 Aug 14

L Byrne says...

Loftylofthouse wrote:
A large tesco,
A large waitrose
A medium CO OP
A medium M&S
A large Aldi
A large Lidle
A large Asda to come..

Have I missed any?


I'd open a magic shop..........and make half of them disappear
Lofty

You missed Sainsbury's, Iceland and Quality Save!

It may not be over yet. The shopping obsessed crackpots in CWAC Council who have gone into the retail property development business are probably already on their knees to Morrisons to come and join them to make a full set!

At the same time, nobody is willing to spend the relatively small amount of money to build the community hospital that Northwich was promised by the government just a few years ago. It would cost far less than 10% of what CWAC Council is splashing out on Barons Quay.

Perhaps we should have a local referendum on where the money should be spent and what should be built on Barons Quay. An ASDA or a 25 bed community hospital? I believe I know what the result would be.
[quote][p][bold]Loftylofthouse[/bold] wrote: A large tesco, A large waitrose A medium CO OP A medium M&S A large Aldi A large Lidle A large Asda to come.. Have I missed any? I'd open a magic shop..........and make half of them disappear[/p][/quote]Lofty You missed Sainsbury's, Iceland and Quality Save! It may not be over yet. The shopping obsessed crackpots in CWAC Council who have gone into the retail property development business are probably already on their knees to Morrisons to come and join them to make a full set! At the same time, nobody is willing to spend the relatively small amount of money to build the community hospital that Northwich was promised by the government just a few years ago. It would cost far less than 10% of what CWAC Council is splashing out on Barons Quay. Perhaps we should have a local referendum on where the money should be spent and what should be built on Barons Quay. An ASDA or a 25 bed community hospital? I believe I know what the result would be. L Byrne
  • Score: -4

2:36pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Daniel18 says...

L Bryne, I too believe that we need a Community Hospital in Northwich - But I also believe that Northwich Town Centre is in need of major investment - and building a cottage hospital on Barons Quay, a prime retail development site, will not solve the problem.

We have already got an ideal site for the new hospital at Northwich Infirmary. The majority of the existing infirmary is modern and up to date - It is just the wards that would need to be rebuilt or refurbished - which would cost considerably less than building a brand new hospital as you are suggesting. I would also like to that the money for the hospital should come from the NHS and not from Council Tax (Or a government loan, as is the case with Barons Quay).

It's quite interesting how people are blaming CWaC for all of the problems in Weaver Square, when of the retail units that CWaC actually own (the shops surrounding the indoor market) only one of them is currently empty (the old tool shop). This compares to the 15+ empty shops that are owned by private landlords Colliers & Nationwide - I wonder who's charging too much rent!!

As I have said before it is great that CWaC are investing in our Northwich, if a private developer were develop Barons Quay they would just build something as quick and cheaply as they could to try and make as much profit as possible.

Roll on the Autumn - I can't wait wait for the work to start on Barons Quay. In just over 2 year time we will be able to nip into town, shop in some of the local shops, watch a film at the cinema and have a meal on the river front. I think that is a much better use of the Barons Quay area than a Community Hospital.
L Bryne, I too believe that we need a Community Hospital in Northwich - But I also believe that Northwich Town Centre is in need of major investment - and building a cottage hospital on Barons Quay, a prime retail development site, will not solve the problem. We have already got an ideal site for the new hospital at Northwich Infirmary. The majority of the existing infirmary is modern and up to date - It is just the wards that would need to be rebuilt or refurbished - which would cost considerably less than building a brand new hospital as you are suggesting. I would also like to that the money for the hospital should come from the NHS and not from Council Tax (Or a government loan, as is the case with Barons Quay). It's quite interesting how people are blaming CWaC for all of the problems in Weaver Square, when of the retail units that CWaC actually own (the shops surrounding the indoor market) only one of them is currently empty (the old tool shop). This compares to the 15+ empty shops that are owned by private landlords Colliers & Nationwide - I wonder who's charging too much rent!! As I have said before it is great that CWaC are investing in our Northwich, if a private developer were develop Barons Quay they would just build something as quick and cheaply as they could to try and make as much profit as possible. Roll on the Autumn - I can't wait wait for the work to start on Barons Quay. In just over 2 year time we will be able to nip into town, shop in some of the local shops, watch a film at the cinema and have a meal on the river front. I think that is a much better use of the Barons Quay area than a Community Hospital. Daniel18
  • Score: 12

10:02pm Sun 31 Aug 14

L Byrne says...

Daniel18

It appears that if we did have a public vote about a choice between an ASDA , supermarket no. 10 or a community hospital for Northwich that you would put your hand up for an ASDA.

Fair enough
Daniel18 It appears that if we did have a public vote about a choice between an ASDA , supermarket no. 10 or a community hospital for Northwich that you would put your hand up for an ASDA. Fair enough L Byrne
  • Score: -3

10:21pm Sun 31 Aug 14

northwichboy says...

L Byrne wrote:
Loftylofthouse wrote:
A large tesco,
A large waitrose
A medium CO OP
A medium M&S
A large Aldi
A large Lidle
A large Asda to come..

Have I missed any?


I'd open a magic shop..........and make half of them disappear
Lofty

You missed Sainsbury's, Iceland and Quality Save!

It may not be over yet. The shopping obsessed crackpots in CWAC Council who have gone into the retail property development business are probably already on their knees to Morrisons to come and join them to make a full set!

At the same time, nobody is willing to spend the relatively small amount of money to build the community hospital that Northwich was promised by the government just a few years ago. It would cost far less than 10% of what CWAC Council is splashing out on Barons Quay.

Perhaps we should have a local referendum on where the money should be spent and what should be built on Barons Quay. An ASDA or a 25 bed community hospital? I believe I know what the result would be.
what do you think will bring more revenue and employment for Northwich thats the question and its certainly both Northwich is lacking.
[quote][p][bold]L Byrne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loftylofthouse[/bold] wrote: A large tesco, A large waitrose A medium CO OP A medium M&S A large Aldi A large Lidle A large Asda to come.. Have I missed any? I'd open a magic shop..........and make half of them disappear[/p][/quote]Lofty You missed Sainsbury's, Iceland and Quality Save! It may not be over yet. The shopping obsessed crackpots in CWAC Council who have gone into the retail property development business are probably already on their knees to Morrisons to come and join them to make a full set! At the same time, nobody is willing to spend the relatively small amount of money to build the community hospital that Northwich was promised by the government just a few years ago. It would cost far less than 10% of what CWAC Council is splashing out on Barons Quay. Perhaps we should have a local referendum on where the money should be spent and what should be built on Barons Quay. An ASDA or a 25 bed community hospital? I believe I know what the result would be.[/p][/quote]what do you think will bring more revenue and employment for Northwich thats the question and its certainly both Northwich is lacking. northwichboy
  • Score: 7

2:23pm Tue 2 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

It's a real shame what has happened to Weaver Square.
I remember when Woolworths, The Post Office and Argos used to be in there. Now it seems to be dominated by Bookmakers.
My understanding was the landlord went bust a few years ago? Who owns it now?
It's a real shame what has happened to Weaver Square. I remember when Woolworths, The Post Office and Argos used to be in there. Now it seems to be dominated by Bookmakers. My understanding was the landlord went bust a few years ago? Who owns it now? MatthewB
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Tue 2 Sep 14

I.A.M. Concerned says...

Weaver Square? Knock it down and start again. Perhaps we could have an 'Artisan Square' instead which incorporates the market as well. Then that surely would bring people back to shopping in Northwich as it would complement Barons Quay.
Weaver Square? Knock it down and start again. Perhaps we could have an 'Artisan Square' instead which incorporates the market as well. Then that surely would bring people back to shopping in Northwich as it would complement Barons Quay. I.A.M. Concerned
  • Score: 3

4:28pm Tue 2 Sep 14

L Byrne says...

The Weaver Square problem could be solved by CWAC Council if it had the will to do so. For example, it is likely to be available on a compulsory purchase basis at a reasonable price.

CWAC Council is spending £40million on a theatre in Chester so there is money about.

However, the Council's first priority in Northwich now is doing all it can to support its new partner , ASDA and a revived shopping area in Weaver Square does not figure in its plans. The opposite in fact. Many of the stores would compete with the supermarket.

Note that in his comment above, Dave Hodkinson states that he believes that the square will become a car park after the new ASDA is opened. It certainly would be handy for ASDA shoppers.
Hmmmmmm.
The Weaver Square problem could be solved by CWAC Council if it had the will to do so. For example, it is likely to be available on a compulsory purchase basis at a reasonable price. CWAC Council is spending £40million on a theatre in Chester so there is money about. However, the Council's first priority in Northwich now is doing all it can to support its new partner , ASDA and a revived shopping area in Weaver Square does not figure in its plans. The opposite in fact. Many of the stores would compete with the supermarket. Note that in his comment above, Dave Hodkinson states that he believes that the square will become a car park after the new ASDA is opened. It certainly would be handy for ASDA shoppers. Hmmmmmm. L Byrne
  • Score: -7

5:34pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Daniel18 says...

What total utter rubbish. Asda (along with Odeon, who Liam seems to miss off – I wonder why….) as simply the anchor tenants in the new Barons Quay development – they are not in partnership with the council. If that were the case then they would be funding it, which we all know is not the case.

The new store that is being built is going to have a multi-storey car park on top of it so why on earth would another car park on the opposite side of Witton Street be handy for their shoppers?!?!

If anything, I think Asda will want all Northwich shoppers to park on the new Barons Quay car park to encourage them to use the new petrol station that they are building. Also, I think you'll find that the trolleys will have automatic brakes on (Similar to Tesco and Sainsburys) which stop people from taking them more than 100m away from the store. So unless everyone is going to carry their weekly shop across Town a car park on Weaver Square will be totally useless to Asda Shoppers.

Just because Dave believes that Weaver Square will end up as a car park doesn't mean it will. Al Junior has said he thinks it might be apartments or Morrisons - It doesn't mean it’s going to happen.

The way Liam keeps going on anyone would think that he had shares in Tesco and Sainsburys! He is more than happy to have their stores in Northwich, but having Asda is going to kill the town. All supermarkets are the same, they all sell the same products and they are all competing for our trade, so if anything all that having Asda will do is encourage the other supermarkets in town to lower their prices.

At the end of the day it is not just Asda that is being built at Barons Quay, there will also be over 25 new shops, 7 new restaurants and the cinema along with the pedestrianised river front and new town squares - all of which will bring new jobs, shoppers & businesses into the town and help improve the local economy.
What total utter rubbish. Asda (along with Odeon, who Liam seems to miss off – I wonder why….) as simply the anchor tenants in the new Barons Quay development – they are not in partnership with the council. If that were the case then they would be funding it, which we all know is not the case. The new store that is being built is going to have a multi-storey car park on top of it so why on earth would another car park on the opposite side of Witton Street be handy for their shoppers?!?! If anything, I think Asda will want all Northwich shoppers to park on the new Barons Quay car park to encourage them to use the new petrol station that they are building. Also, I think you'll find that the trolleys will have automatic brakes on (Similar to Tesco and Sainsburys) which stop people from taking them more than 100m away from the store. So unless everyone is going to carry their weekly shop across Town a car park on Weaver Square will be totally useless to Asda Shoppers. Just because Dave believes that Weaver Square will end up as a car park doesn't mean it will. Al Junior has said he thinks it might be apartments or Morrisons - It doesn't mean it’s going to happen. The way Liam keeps going on anyone would think that he had shares in Tesco and Sainsburys! He is more than happy to have their stores in Northwich, but having Asda is going to kill the town. All supermarkets are the same, they all sell the same products and they are all competing for our trade, so if anything all that having Asda will do is encourage the other supermarkets in town to lower their prices. At the end of the day it is not just Asda that is being built at Barons Quay, there will also be over 25 new shops, 7 new restaurants and the cinema along with the pedestrianised river front and new town squares - all of which will bring new jobs, shoppers & businesses into the town and help improve the local economy. Daniel18
  • Score: 12

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