Northwich public to be asked about £500,000 subway plans

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THE fate of Northwich's subway will rest in the hands of its residents this November.

An eight-week public consultation will ask for views on a proposal to fill the underpass in – at a cost of £500,000.

Cheshire West and Chester Council (CWAC) suggested the move as part of its work to develop Memorial Court and its surroundings.

Northwich Town Council expressed its concerns with the plan and is now working with CWAC to run the consultation.

Clr Andrew Cooper said: "I hope the people of Northwich respond to the survey because filling the subway in is the least imaginative thing.

"It's so dull and expensive.

"In the big pit you could have an outdoor theatre, you could do anything with it."

Clr Kevin Rimmer said: "There was a £250,000 figure quoted and now that's jumped up to £500,000.

"There are much better ways of spending half a million quid than filling in two subways."

The underpass runs beneath Chesterway, providing a traffic free route between Weaver Square Shopping Centre, Memorial Court and the former council office site.

CWAC has proposed filling it in and replacing it with a pelican crossing.

A crossing has already been installed as part of work to make the gyratory system permanent, although this crossing is not yet in use.

Clr Derek Bowden: "If you have a gyratory to speed the flow of the traffic up then putting a pedestrian crossing in with lights isn't going to help."

Councillors also discussed the gyratory system in general as members are concerned about narrow lanes and tight bends.

Clr Janet Illidge said: "I was told when you come off Town Bridge into the Bull Ring there will be sufficient road way to accommodate two lanes of traffic.

"I asked if two buses could go through without a problem and was told yes."

Clr Brian Cooke said that heavy goods vehicles would struggle on the bridge and in the Bull Ring and Clr Rimmer pointed out that new railings at the corner of Chesterway and Castle Hill have already been damaged.

The council agreed to write to CWAC to express its continuing concerns.

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7:58am Thu 4 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Quote from Councillor Derek Bowden: "If you have a gyratory to speed the flow of the traffic up then putting a pedestrian crossing in with lights isn't going to help."

Well that says it all really doesn't it.
Clean it up. Look after it and keep it.
It has never caused anyone any problems and is a very safe place to cross the road.
Quote from Councillor Derek Bowden: "If you have a gyratory to speed the flow of the traffic up then putting a pedestrian crossing in with lights isn't going to help." Well that says it all really doesn't it. Clean it up. Look after it and keep it. It has never caused anyone any problems and is a very safe place to cross the road. MatthewB
  • Score: 15

8:11am Thu 4 Sep 14

MrT1976 says...

Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different? MrT1976
  • Score: -5

8:48am Thu 4 Sep 14

karl4i67 says...

It's gridlocked now without the crossing working, also it looks like they have closed off access to Barons Quay from Castle/Winnington, if this is the case they are pushing more traffic through the crossing, people will not travel to Northwich at this rate. £500,000 how many other things in this town are desperate for this sort of money. It's always people that do not live in the area that make these decision but don't have to live with them eg should have been an 8 lane pool (Olympic standard) to make northwich the center of excellence for swimming, then footfall would have increased (but the increased cost was too much yet £500,000 wasted on a load of concrete to fill a hole), more shops would have come!!!! These people need to be voted off and get real people that live in the area.
It's gridlocked now without the crossing working, also it looks like they have closed off access to Barons Quay from Castle/Winnington, if this is the case they are pushing more traffic through the crossing, people will not travel to Northwich at this rate. £500,000 how many other things in this town are desperate for this sort of money. It's always people that do not live in the area that make these decision but don't have to live with them eg should have been an 8 lane pool (Olympic standard) to make northwich the center of excellence for swimming, then footfall would have increased (but the increased cost was too much yet £500,000 wasted on a load of concrete to fill a hole), more shops would have come!!!! These people need to be voted off and get real people that live in the area. karl4i67
  • Score: 18

9:11am Thu 4 Sep 14

Daniel18 says...

MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
[quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway? Daniel18
  • Score: 13

9:45am Thu 4 Sep 14

Northwich Lover says...

Commonsense would say keep a safe route across the road and smarten it up. I suspect this is partly because the footprint of the new Memorial Hall is so large it will dominate the area without more open space.
Commonsense would say keep a safe route across the road and smarten it up. I suspect this is partly because the footprint of the new Memorial Hall is so large it will dominate the area without more open space. Northwich Lover
  • Score: 13

9:49am Thu 4 Sep 14

MrT1976 says...

Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
I beg to differ on the Gyratory consultation........
.I think it was a NO vote that was completely disregarded.

Just redo the subway, proper lighting, lick of paint etc etc. Happy Days for everyone
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?[/p][/quote]I beg to differ on the Gyratory consultation........ .I think it was a NO vote that was completely disregarded. Just redo the subway, proper lighting, lick of paint etc etc. Happy Days for everyone MrT1976
  • Score: 9

10:12am Thu 4 Sep 14

epcd16 says...

This subway has been dis-used because it hasn't really served a purpose over the last 12 months but now that the new leisure ctr is due to open it will be depended upon by families/children to access the new facilities safely. It needs a good clean and spruce up and nothing more. Filling it in will only cause traffic chaos with people trying to cross the road. Not only this with the increasing number of elderly apartments springing up in Northwich facilities like the subway will become more and more important to the local community. Why not get a local school/college to create some artwork to make the subway more appealing? Improve lighting and hosed down from time to time?
This subway has been dis-used because it hasn't really served a purpose over the last 12 months but now that the new leisure ctr is due to open it will be depended upon by families/children to access the new facilities safely. It needs a good clean and spruce up and nothing more. Filling it in will only cause traffic chaos with people trying to cross the road. Not only this with the increasing number of elderly apartments springing up in Northwich facilities like the subway will become more and more important to the local community. Why not get a local school/college to create some artwork to make the subway more appealing? Improve lighting and hosed down from time to time? epcd16
  • Score: 31

10:45am Thu 4 Sep 14

L Byrne says...

I walked past the side of Northwich Library the other day and noticed that the woodwork is rotting and generally the whole place is falling apart. If the Council has half a million to spend on filling a hole, I suggest that it drops what is a stupid and wasteful idea and diverts the money to saving what is an essential facility.
I walked past the side of Northwich Library the other day and noticed that the woodwork is rotting and generally the whole place is falling apart. If the Council has half a million to spend on filling a hole, I suggest that it drops what is a stupid and wasteful idea and diverts the money to saving what is an essential facility. L Byrne
  • Score: 11

11:46am Thu 4 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
I agree with you on the Gyratory system. It was a very good idea and traffic on a Saturday in Northwich (Busiest shopping day of the week) is free flowing compared to the old system of queuing and standstill traffic.
I used to live on Firdale Park and would always avoid driving into town on a Saturday.

I disagree with you on the subway though.
It must stay for the safety of Northwich residents and also to avoid traffic congestion with stop/start traffic lights for crossing the road.
To do away with it for a pelican crossing would defeat the objective of the Gyratory system and free flowing traffic
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?[/p][/quote]I agree with you on the Gyratory system. It was a very good idea and traffic on a Saturday in Northwich (Busiest shopping day of the week) is free flowing compared to the old system of queuing and standstill traffic. I used to live on Firdale Park and would always avoid driving into town on a Saturday. I disagree with you on the subway though. It must stay for the safety of Northwich residents and also to avoid traffic congestion with stop/start traffic lights for crossing the road. To do away with it for a pelican crossing would defeat the objective of the Gyratory system and free flowing traffic MatthewB
  • Score: 4

1:47pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Daniel18 says...

MrT1976 wrote:
Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
I beg to differ on the Gyratory consultation........

.I think it was a NO vote that was completely disregarded.

Just redo the subway, proper lighting, lick of paint etc etc. Happy Days for everyone
Here is the link to the findings of the consultation in which 47% said yes and 46% said no:
file:///C:/Users/own
er/Downloads/2013020
3-NorthwichGyratoryK
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It may only be an extra 1%, but at the end of the day the majority of people were in favour of the Gyratory.
[quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?[/p][/quote]I beg to differ on the Gyratory consultation........ .I think it was a NO vote that was completely disregarded. Just redo the subway, proper lighting, lick of paint etc etc. Happy Days for everyone[/p][/quote]Here is the link to the findings of the consultation in which 47% said yes and 46% said no: file:///C:/Users/own er/Downloads/2013020 3-NorthwichGyratoryK eyFindingsFinalRepor t%20(1).pdf It may only be an extra 1%, but at the end of the day the majority of people were in favour of the Gyratory. Daniel18
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Thu 4 Sep 14

100246 says...

The subway should play an important part in the redevelopment programme to keep pedestrians and traffic apart. The cleaning and upkeep could be done by the people who are doing community service, it would be a good "pay back" to the community
The subway should play an important part in the redevelopment programme to keep pedestrians and traffic apart. The cleaning and upkeep could be done by the people who are doing community service, it would be a good "pay back" to the community 100246
  • Score: 12

2:05pm Thu 4 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

I think looking at the above Photo of the subway we could certainly make it look brighter.
Maybe a painting of The Regal on one side and Memorial Hall on the other.
It would be nice to have a reminder of Northwich past to us to reminisce over.
A lick of paint and some new lighting inside and that would be good.
I think looking at the above Photo of the subway we could certainly make it look brighter. Maybe a painting of The Regal on one side and Memorial Hall on the other. It would be nice to have a reminder of Northwich past to us to reminisce over. A lick of paint and some new lighting inside and that would be good. MatthewB
  • Score: 9

2:09pm Thu 4 Sep 14

GOFFY says...

If CWAC are going to consult local people why have they already put in crossing points above the subway? Consultation my backside the deal is already done.
If CWAC are going to consult local people why have they already put in crossing points above the subway? Consultation my backside the deal is already done. GOFFY
  • Score: -1

2:19pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Lynn Riley (cllr) says...

Fantastic to see the debate about the underpasses and some of the suggestions being made. Lovin the theatre suggestion! If anyone has got great alternative ideas for how this space can be used safely and creatively, just get in touch and get your suggestions in.The new crossings are being put for better access into town. Let's be honest, underpasses aren't great for people with mobility issues, prams or for making us feel safe at night
Fantastic to see the debate about the underpasses and some of the suggestions being made. Lovin the theatre suggestion! If anyone has got great alternative ideas for how this space can be used safely and creatively, just get in touch and get your suggestions in.The new crossings are being put for better access into town. Let's be honest, underpasses aren't great for people with mobility issues, prams or for making us feel safe at night Lynn Riley (cllr)
  • Score: 3

2:47pm Thu 4 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Lynn Riley (cllr) wrote:
Fantastic to see the debate about the underpasses and some of the suggestions being made. Lovin the theatre suggestion! If anyone has got great alternative ideas for how this space can be used safely and creatively, just get in touch and get your suggestions in.The new crossings are being put for better access into town. Let's be honest, underpasses aren't great for people with mobility issues, prams or for making us feel safe at night
I think nearly all the comments here are in favour of keeping the subway so far.
[quote][p][bold]Lynn Riley (cllr)[/bold] wrote: Fantastic to see the debate about the underpasses and some of the suggestions being made. Lovin the theatre suggestion! If anyone has got great alternative ideas for how this space can be used safely and creatively, just get in touch and get your suggestions in.The new crossings are being put for better access into town. Let's be honest, underpasses aren't great for people with mobility issues, prams or for making us feel safe at night[/p][/quote]I think nearly all the comments here are in favour of keeping the subway so far. MatthewB
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Thu 4 Sep 14

MrT1976 says...

Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
I beg to differ on the Gyratory consultation........


.I think it was a NO vote that was completely disregarded.

Just redo the subway, proper lighting, lick of paint etc etc. Happy Days for everyone
Here is the link to the findings of the consultation in which 47% said yes and 46% said no:
file:///C:/Users/own

er/Downloads/2013020

3-NorthwichGyratoryK

eyFindingsFinalRepor

t%20(1).pdf
It may only be an extra 1%, but at the end of the day the majority of people were in favour of the Gyratory.
I can't argue with that...........I really want to but I can't.
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?[/p][/quote]I beg to differ on the Gyratory consultation........ .I think it was a NO vote that was completely disregarded. Just redo the subway, proper lighting, lick of paint etc etc. Happy Days for everyone[/p][/quote]Here is the link to the findings of the consultation in which 47% said yes and 46% said no: file:///C:/Users/own er/Downloads/2013020 3-NorthwichGyratoryK eyFindingsFinalRepor t%20(1).pdf It may only be an extra 1%, but at the end of the day the majority of people were in favour of the Gyratory.[/p][/quote]I can't argue with that...........I really want to but I can't. MrT1976
  • Score: -2

4:35pm Thu 4 Sep 14

WHS says...

I think this idiotic idea sums up what the CWAC Council in Chester know about Northwich, NOTHING!! They were wrong about the one way system yet went ahead anyway despite local complaints and they will fill in this "Hole" as they call it because it will keep contractors busy. Half a million pounds to fill in a largish hole? Good God you could fill in the Grand Canyon for less!! We need the crossing or traffic on a bypass that already has five, yes five sets of lights in the space of half a mile will be slower than it already is. And on that point do we really need the lights at the police station? I think not. It is time the people of Northwich really told the idiots in Chester what to do with their stupid ideas for OUR TOWN.
WHS.
WHS.
I think this idiotic idea sums up what the CWAC Council in Chester know about Northwich, NOTHING!! They were wrong about the one way system yet went ahead anyway despite local complaints and they will fill in this "Hole" as they call it because it will keep contractors busy. Half a million pounds to fill in a largish hole? Good God you could fill in the Grand Canyon for less!! We need the crossing or traffic on a bypass that already has five, yes five sets of lights in the space of half a mile will be slower than it already is. And on that point do we really need the lights at the police station? I think not. It is time the people of Northwich really told the idiots in Chester what to do with their stupid ideas for OUR TOWN. WHS. WHS. WHS
  • Score: 4

5:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

MotoGP says...

You cannot argue with the facts, the truth is 47% of those that expressed an opinion said yes to the gyratory system! However, if you were to conduct a poll of ALL Northwich residents, I think you would see a different result.
CWAC seems to go through the motions of asking the public & as others have already stated, does what it likes anyway, regardless. I suspect this will also be the case with the subway.
Personally, I would keep the subway, otherwise the inclusion of yet another set of traffic lights would cause even more chaos. There are too many now, the set by the council offices are not needed, a simple give way system would suffice. CWAC's contribution to Northwich life is I'm afraid abysmal & with the subway and the proposed new multi million pound "Super Roundabout" at the top of town, is set to become even worse.
You cannot argue with the facts, the truth is 47% of those that expressed an opinion said yes to the gyratory system! However, if you were to conduct a poll of ALL Northwich residents, I think you would see a different result. CWAC seems to go through the motions of asking the public & as others have already stated, does what it likes anyway, regardless. I suspect this will also be the case with the subway. Personally, I would keep the subway, otherwise the inclusion of yet another set of traffic lights would cause even more chaos. There are too many now, the set by the council offices are not needed, a simple give way system would suffice. CWAC's contribution to Northwich life is I'm afraid abysmal & with the subway and the proposed new multi million pound "Super Roundabout" at the top of town, is set to become even worse. MotoGP
  • Score: 4

8:21pm Thu 4 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Lynn Riley (cllr) wrote:
Fantastic to see the debate about the underpasses and some of the suggestions being made. Lovin the theatre suggestion! If anyone has got great alternative ideas for how this space can be used safely and creatively, just get in touch and get your suggestions in.The new crossings are being put for better access into town. Let's be honest, underpasses aren't great for people with mobility issues, prams or for making us feel safe at night
This comment is a joke.
Is the taxpayer paying you a wage? I hope not.
The Theatre suggestion is a joke! What makes it funny is you like it.
If Northwich wants a Theatre then use the Plaza.
We hardly get any use out the outdoor paddling pool in Northwich due to British weather so what chance would an outdoor Theatre get??

The subway is a safe crossing. Leave it alone.
[quote][p][bold]Lynn Riley (cllr)[/bold] wrote: Fantastic to see the debate about the underpasses and some of the suggestions being made. Lovin the theatre suggestion! If anyone has got great alternative ideas for how this space can be used safely and creatively, just get in touch and get your suggestions in.The new crossings are being put for better access into town. Let's be honest, underpasses aren't great for people with mobility issues, prams or for making us feel safe at night[/p][/quote]This comment is a joke. Is the taxpayer paying you a wage? I hope not. The Theatre suggestion is a joke! What makes it funny is you like it. If Northwich wants a Theatre then use the Plaza. We hardly get any use out the outdoor paddling pool in Northwich due to British weather so what chance would an outdoor Theatre get?? The subway is a safe crossing. Leave it alone. MatthewB
  • Score: 9

8:49pm Thu 4 Sep 14

L Byrne says...

Lynn Riley (cllr) wrote:
Fantastic to see the debate about the underpasses and some of the suggestions being made. Lovin the theatre suggestion! If anyone has got great alternative ideas for how this space can be used safely and creatively, just get in touch and get your suggestions in.The new crossings are being put for better access into town. Let's be honest, underpasses aren't great for people with mobility issues, prams or for making us feel safe at night
With due respect, I am not sure that Cllr Riley views, as a resident of Frodsham, should count in the so-called 'CONsultation' on this matter.

It does not take a genius to see from the wording of her comment to conclude that the whole exercise is probably a con anyway . If the question of whether or not the subway is truly open and still to be decided, why the remarks about alternative , note 'alternative', uses of the space?

Let's be honest, it would be interesting to hear if Cllr Riley has actually spoken to anybody who lives in Northwich and has mobility issues or uses a pram before she wrote her last sentence.

Finally, as a senior member of CWAC Council perhaps Cllr Riley could enlighten us about how half a million quid can be found to fund what is a plainly daft idea of filling a hole that very few, if any, residents have a problem with when, at the same time, the Council is cutting spending on essential activities.
[quote][p][bold]Lynn Riley (cllr)[/bold] wrote: Fantastic to see the debate about the underpasses and some of the suggestions being made. Lovin the theatre suggestion! If anyone has got great alternative ideas for how this space can be used safely and creatively, just get in touch and get your suggestions in.The new crossings are being put for better access into town. Let's be honest, underpasses aren't great for people with mobility issues, prams or for making us feel safe at night[/p][/quote]With due respect, I am not sure that Cllr Riley views, as a resident of Frodsham, should count in the so-called 'CONsultation' on this matter. It does not take a genius to see from the wording of her comment to conclude that the whole exercise is probably a con anyway . If the question of whether or not the subway is truly open and still to be decided, why the remarks about alternative , note 'alternative', uses of the space? Let's be honest, it would be interesting to hear if Cllr Riley has actually spoken to anybody who lives in Northwich and has mobility issues or uses a pram before she wrote her last sentence. Finally, as a senior member of CWAC Council perhaps Cllr Riley could enlighten us about how half a million quid can be found to fund what is a plainly daft idea of filling a hole that very few, if any, residents have a problem with when, at the same time, the Council is cutting spending on essential activities. L Byrne
  • Score: 3

9:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

L Byrne says...

Note to MatthewB

Re your question 'Is the taxpayer paying you a wage?'.

The following is based on information available on the council website concerning payments to elected members.

Members of the Executive on CWAC Council receive a total of £24323 pa.They also receive expenses and are eligible for a pension.
Note to MatthewB Re your question 'Is the taxpayer paying you a wage?'. The following is based on information available on the council website concerning payments to elected members. Members of the Executive on CWAC Council receive a total of £24323 pa.They also receive expenses and are eligible for a pension. L Byrne
  • Score: 2

9:31pm Thu 4 Sep 14

gary_northwich says...

Has anyone been to the temple bar on Oxford Road in Manchester? It's an old underground gents toilet that was converted into a bar. I think we could do the same with the underpass in Northwich and would be a great tourist attraction for the town.Do a Google images search for more info on the one in Manchester if you have never seen it.
Has anyone been to the temple bar on Oxford Road in Manchester? It's an old underground gents toilet that was converted into a bar. I think we could do the same with the underpass in Northwich and would be a great tourist attraction for the town.Do a Google images search for more info on the one in Manchester if you have never seen it. gary_northwich
  • Score: 8

7:58am Fri 5 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

gary_northwich wrote:
Has anyone been to the temple bar on Oxford Road in Manchester? It's an old underground gents toilet that was converted into a bar. I think we could do the same with the underpass in Northwich and would be a great tourist attraction for the town.Do a Google images search for more info on the one in Manchester if you have never seen it.
I live in Manchester (now) and yes I have been into Temple Bar.
It is dark and a dump.
I get your idea though.
I still own a property and have friends in Northwich just in case anyone wonders why I am still interested. I may even retire to Northwich eventually.

PS: I'm going down Oxford Road tonight to The Cornerhouse. I hope they do a similar project with The Plaza.
[quote][p][bold]gary_northwich[/bold] wrote: Has anyone been to the temple bar on Oxford Road in Manchester? It's an old underground gents toilet that was converted into a bar. I think we could do the same with the underpass in Northwich and would be a great tourist attraction for the town.Do a Google images search for more info on the one in Manchester if you have never seen it.[/p][/quote]I live in Manchester (now) and yes I have been into Temple Bar. It is dark and a dump. I get your idea though. I still own a property and have friends in Northwich just in case anyone wonders why I am still interested. I may even retire to Northwich eventually. PS: I'm going down Oxford Road tonight to The Cornerhouse. I hope they do a similar project with The Plaza. MatthewB
  • Score: 1

8:13am Fri 5 Sep 14

MotoGP says...

It is plain to see from most of the comments so far, that the Northwich public have no faith in & do not trust CWAC to do anything that will be beneficial to the town.
What about some sort of rejuvenation of the existing shopping centre? This area of Northwich is a disgrace. I know that it was privately owned, but surely the council can put some sort of pressure on to get some life back into this area. At present, we have a subway/crossings leading into a North West version of Beirut!
It is plain to see from most of the comments so far, that the Northwich public have no faith in & do not trust CWAC to do anything that will be beneficial to the town. What about some sort of rejuvenation of the existing shopping centre? This area of Northwich is a disgrace. I know that it was privately owned, but surely the council can put some sort of pressure on to get some life back into this area. At present, we have a subway/crossings leading into a North West version of Beirut! MotoGP
  • Score: 4

8:27am Fri 5 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

MotoGP wrote:
It is plain to see from most of the comments so far, that the Northwich public have no faith in & do not trust CWAC to do anything that will be beneficial to the town.
What about some sort of rejuvenation of the existing shopping centre? This area of Northwich is a disgrace. I know that it was privately owned, but surely the council can put some sort of pressure on to get some life back into this area. At present, we have a subway/crossings leading into a North West version of Beirut!
I agree with you.
Northwich Town Council, the people from Northwich and anyone with an invested interest in Northwich should have the say on these issues.
No interference from outside of that.
[quote][p][bold]MotoGP[/bold] wrote: It is plain to see from most of the comments so far, that the Northwich public have no faith in & do not trust CWAC to do anything that will be beneficial to the town. What about some sort of rejuvenation of the existing shopping centre? This area of Northwich is a disgrace. I know that it was privately owned, but surely the council can put some sort of pressure on to get some life back into this area. At present, we have a subway/crossings leading into a North West version of Beirut![/p][/quote]I agree with you. Northwich Town Council, the people from Northwich and anyone with an invested interest in Northwich should have the say on these issues. No interference from outside of that. MatthewB
  • Score: 10

2:23pm Fri 5 Sep 14

karl4i67 says...

Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
As reported by the council 'To reduce lane swapping the Weaver Way junction at the Bull Ring from Town Bridge direction only will be closed. Weaver Way will still be accessible via Dane Street and the top of town (Leicester Street)' can't find anything at all about only open to heavy goods anywhere point me in the write direction!!!!!!!!
Some people just like to say it how they think possibly Daniel 18 could be a little less condescending in future!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?[/p][/quote]As reported by the council 'To reduce lane swapping the Weaver Way junction at the Bull Ring from Town Bridge direction only will be closed. Weaver Way will still be accessible via Dane Street and the top of town (Leicester Street)' can't find anything at all about only open to heavy goods anywhere point me in the write direction!!!!!!!! Some people just like to say it how they think possibly Daniel 18 could be a little less condescending in future!!!!! karl4i67
  • Score: -4

2:44pm Fri 5 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

This is a real chance for the people of Northwich to get what they really want.
I would like to see the 5 most popular ideas go to a public vote including keeping the Subway.
I really hope Northwich people come out in force for this one. If we don't then Northwich people are going to be walked all over (again) by Cheshire West & Chester and a number of people that don't even live in the town.
This is a real chance for the people of Northwich to get what they really want. I would like to see the 5 most popular ideas go to a public vote including keeping the Subway. I really hope Northwich people come out in force for this one. If we don't then Northwich people are going to be walked all over (again) by Cheshire West & Chester and a number of people that don't even live in the town. MatthewB
  • Score: 4

3:31pm Fri 5 Sep 14

L Byrne says...

karl4i67 wrote:
Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
As reported by the council 'To reduce lane swapping the Weaver Way junction at the Bull Ring from Town Bridge direction only will be closed. Weaver Way will still be accessible via Dane Street and the top of town (Leicester Street)' can't find anything at all about only open to heavy goods anywhere point me in the write direction!!!!!!!!
Some people just like to say it how they think possibly Daniel 18 could be a little less condescending in future!!!!!
Bullseye, Karl!

I reckon you have caused CWAC Council a problem because even they cannot permanently close a public road with some form of open formal consultation.

Meanwhile, there has been no response from Cllr Riley on how the cash strapped Council can magic up a cool half million quid to fill a hole.

Now that Cllr Riley, who has the important role of Executive Member - Localities on CWAC Council, has put the £500,000 on the table, it should be left there in all fairness and MatthewB's proposal should be extended to include ideas on the best way to spend this money in the town. My suggestion would be £300k on the Library and £200k on the childrens' paddling pool.

It would be interesting , particularly, I assume, to Cllr Riley who apparently has the chequebook and pen, to hear what suggestions others come up with for what is a rare opportunity to do some good for the town.
[quote][p][bold]karl4i67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?[/p][/quote]As reported by the council 'To reduce lane swapping the Weaver Way junction at the Bull Ring from Town Bridge direction only will be closed. Weaver Way will still be accessible via Dane Street and the top of town (Leicester Street)' can't find anything at all about only open to heavy goods anywhere point me in the write direction!!!!!!!! Some people just like to say it how they think possibly Daniel 18 could be a little less condescending in future!!!!![/p][/quote]Bullseye, Karl! I reckon you have caused CWAC Council a problem because even they cannot permanently close a public road with some form of open formal consultation. Meanwhile, there has been no response from Cllr Riley on how the cash strapped Council can magic up a cool half million quid to fill a hole. Now that Cllr Riley, who has the important role of Executive Member - Localities on CWAC Council, has put the £500,000 on the table, it should be left there in all fairness and MatthewB's proposal should be extended to include ideas on the best way to spend this money in the town. My suggestion would be £300k on the Library and £200k on the childrens' paddling pool. It would be interesting , particularly, I assume, to Cllr Riley who apparently has the chequebook and pen, to hear what suggestions others come up with for what is a rare opportunity to do some good for the town. L Byrne
  • Score: 3

4:41pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Daniel18 says...

L Byrne wrote:
karl4i67 wrote:
Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
As reported by the council 'To reduce lane swapping the Weaver Way junction at the Bull Ring from Town Bridge direction only will be closed. Weaver Way will still be accessible via Dane Street and the top of town (Leicester Street)' can't find anything at all about only open to heavy goods anywhere point me in the write direction!!!!!!!!
Some people just like to say it how they think possibly Daniel 18 could be a little less condescending in future!!!!!
Bullseye, Karl!

I reckon you have caused CWAC Council a problem because even they cannot permanently close a public road with some form of open formal consultation.

Meanwhile, there has been no response from Cllr Riley on how the cash strapped Council can magic up a cool half million quid to fill a hole.

Now that Cllr Riley, who has the important role of Executive Member - Localities on CWAC Council, has put the £500,000 on the table, it should be left there in all fairness and MatthewB's proposal should be extended to include ideas on the best way to spend this money in the town. My suggestion would be £300k on the Library and £200k on the childrens' paddling pool.

It would be interesting , particularly, I assume, to Cllr Riley who apparently has the chequebook and pen, to hear what suggestions others come up with for what is a rare opportunity to do some good for the town.
L Bryne - a public inquiry is being held in later this month relating to the CPO and the closure of Weaver Way (Which has been part of the development plans since the initial plans by VRBC) - All of the details can be found at www.northwichriversi
de.co.uk .

I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant?
[quote][p][bold]L Byrne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]karl4i67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?[/p][/quote]As reported by the council 'To reduce lane swapping the Weaver Way junction at the Bull Ring from Town Bridge direction only will be closed. Weaver Way will still be accessible via Dane Street and the top of town (Leicester Street)' can't find anything at all about only open to heavy goods anywhere point me in the write direction!!!!!!!! Some people just like to say it how they think possibly Daniel 18 could be a little less condescending in future!!!!![/p][/quote]Bullseye, Karl! I reckon you have caused CWAC Council a problem because even they cannot permanently close a public road with some form of open formal consultation. Meanwhile, there has been no response from Cllr Riley on how the cash strapped Council can magic up a cool half million quid to fill a hole. Now that Cllr Riley, who has the important role of Executive Member - Localities on CWAC Council, has put the £500,000 on the table, it should be left there in all fairness and MatthewB's proposal should be extended to include ideas on the best way to spend this money in the town. My suggestion would be £300k on the Library and £200k on the childrens' paddling pool. It would be interesting , particularly, I assume, to Cllr Riley who apparently has the chequebook and pen, to hear what suggestions others come up with for what is a rare opportunity to do some good for the town.[/p][/quote]L Bryne - a public inquiry is being held in later this month relating to the CPO and the closure of Weaver Way (Which has been part of the development plans since the initial plans by VRBC) - All of the details can be found at www.northwichriversi de.co.uk . I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant? Daniel18
  • Score: 3

10:54pm Fri 5 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Daniel18 wrote:
L Byrne wrote:
karl4i67 wrote:
Daniel18 wrote:
MrT1976 wrote:
Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?
I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation.

Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road!

I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?
As reported by the council 'To reduce lane swapping the Weaver Way junction at the Bull Ring from Town Bridge direction only will be closed. Weaver Way will still be accessible via Dane Street and the top of town (Leicester Street)' can't find anything at all about only open to heavy goods anywhere point me in the write direction!!!!!!!!
Some people just like to say it how they think possibly Daniel 18 could be a little less condescending in future!!!!!
Bullseye, Karl!

I reckon you have caused CWAC Council a problem because even they cannot permanently close a public road with some form of open formal consultation.

Meanwhile, there has been no response from Cllr Riley on how the cash strapped Council can magic up a cool half million quid to fill a hole.

Now that Cllr Riley, who has the important role of Executive Member - Localities on CWAC Council, has put the £500,000 on the table, it should be left there in all fairness and MatthewB's proposal should be extended to include ideas on the best way to spend this money in the town. My suggestion would be £300k on the Library and £200k on the childrens' paddling pool.

It would be interesting , particularly, I assume, to Cllr Riley who apparently has the chequebook and pen, to hear what suggestions others come up with for what is a rare opportunity to do some good for the town.
L Bryne - a public inquiry is being held in later this month relating to the CPO and the closure of Weaver Way (Which has been part of the development plans since the initial plans by VRBC) - All of the details can be found at www.northwichriversi

de.co.uk .

I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant?
Danny Boy.

Do you work for the council or have family that work for the council?
Every comment you seem to make is in favour of the council decisions.
You never have an idea of your own.

Just an observation based on the very many comments you make on here.
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]L Byrne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]karl4i67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrT1976[/bold] wrote: Didn't the Northwich public say no to the Gyratory??? Hmmm well no one listened then so why will this be any different?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the majority of people said yes during the the Gyratory consultation. Also, Karl you really need to have a look at the plans for Barons Quay. Weaver Way (the road to Barons Quay) is being closed to all traffic except service vehicles as it will become a dead end road! I agree that £500,000 is a lot of money to fill in a subway, but something really needs to be done as it is just an eyesore. Maybe the council could sell their old offices (which are also an eyesore) to a private developer and state that as past of the deal the developer must fill in the subway?[/p][/quote]As reported by the council 'To reduce lane swapping the Weaver Way junction at the Bull Ring from Town Bridge direction only will be closed. Weaver Way will still be accessible via Dane Street and the top of town (Leicester Street)' can't find anything at all about only open to heavy goods anywhere point me in the write direction!!!!!!!! Some people just like to say it how they think possibly Daniel 18 could be a little less condescending in future!!!!![/p][/quote]Bullseye, Karl! I reckon you have caused CWAC Council a problem because even they cannot permanently close a public road with some form of open formal consultation. Meanwhile, there has been no response from Cllr Riley on how the cash strapped Council can magic up a cool half million quid to fill a hole. Now that Cllr Riley, who has the important role of Executive Member - Localities on CWAC Council, has put the £500,000 on the table, it should be left there in all fairness and MatthewB's proposal should be extended to include ideas on the best way to spend this money in the town. My suggestion would be £300k on the Library and £200k on the childrens' paddling pool. It would be interesting , particularly, I assume, to Cllr Riley who apparently has the chequebook and pen, to hear what suggestions others come up with for what is a rare opportunity to do some good for the town.[/p][/quote]L Bryne - a public inquiry is being held in later this month relating to the CPO and the closure of Weaver Way (Which has been part of the development plans since the initial plans by VRBC) - All of the details can be found at www.northwichriversi de.co.uk . I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant?[/p][/quote]Danny Boy. Do you work for the council or have family that work for the council? Every comment you seem to make is in favour of the council decisions. You never have an idea of your own. Just an observation based on the very many comments you make on here. MatthewB
  • Score: -1

11:00pm Fri 5 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Has anyone else noticed that Daniel18 seems to support all the council decisions?
He never seems to come up with any suggestions.
Maybe he can't think for himself.......
Has anyone else noticed that Daniel18 seems to support all the council decisions? He never seems to come up with any suggestions. Maybe he can't think for himself....... MatthewB
  • Score: -2

11:46pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Chesnews says...

Northwich subway system is a safe and fantastic facility for the town since its construction I use it all the time. Many years ago there was a pedestrian crossing as well which went from the memorial hall /court side to the Victoria car park side. This was used in tandem with the subway as a crossing point, the crossing was ultimately closed off due to the volume of people crossing the road it was slowing traffic down to much and various pedestrians were getting hit by vehicles! as drivers were getting agitated they couldn't get past. So just imagine when the memorial hall court is up and running and on that new triangular bit all three buttons are being pressed every 5 seconds! That's one way to slow the traffic down! more that it already is! Lets keep it and use it in tandem with new traffic lights plus use the £500,000 to upgrade the subway!

The subway and traffic lights on the A556 at Roberts bakery have worked fine together for past 20 years or so! or would that be CWAC. Next stealth target to be closed down!


Note - what we would be chucking away if you wanted to construct a 150 foot Subway system today it would cost in excess of £13.5 million.
Northwich subway system is a safe and fantastic facility for the town since its construction I use it all the time. Many years ago there was a pedestrian crossing as well which went from the memorial hall /court side to the Victoria car park side. This was used in tandem with the subway as a crossing point, the crossing was ultimately closed off due to the volume of people crossing the road it was slowing traffic down to much and various pedestrians were getting hit by vehicles! as drivers were getting agitated they couldn't get past. So just imagine when the memorial hall court is up and running and on that new triangular bit all three buttons are being pressed every 5 seconds! That's one way to slow the traffic down! more that it already is! Lets keep it and use it in tandem with new traffic lights plus use the £500,000 to upgrade the subway! The subway and traffic lights on the A556 at Roberts bakery have worked fine together for past 20 years or so! or would that be CWAC. Next stealth target to be closed down! Note - what we would be chucking away if you wanted to construct a 150 foot Subway system today it would cost in excess of £13.5 million. Chesnews
  • Score: 7

7:47am Sat 6 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Chesnews wrote:
Northwich subway system is a safe and fantastic facility for the town since its construction I use it all the time. Many years ago there was a pedestrian crossing as well which went from the memorial hall /court side to the Victoria car park side. This was used in tandem with the subway as a crossing point, the crossing was ultimately closed off due to the volume of people crossing the road it was slowing traffic down to much and various pedestrians were getting hit by vehicles! as drivers were getting agitated they couldn't get past. So just imagine when the memorial hall court is up and running and on that new triangular bit all three buttons are being pressed every 5 seconds! That's one way to slow the traffic down! more that it already is! Lets keep it and use it in tandem with new traffic lights plus use the £500,000 to upgrade the subway!

The subway and traffic lights on the A556 at Roberts bakery have worked fine together for past 20 years or so! or would that be CWAC. Next stealth target to be closed down!


Note - what we would be chucking away if you wanted to construct a 150 foot Subway system today it would cost in excess of £13.5 million.
I very sensible comment.
I'm glad that the vast majority of people think the same.
[quote][p][bold]Chesnews[/bold] wrote: Northwich subway system is a safe and fantastic facility for the town since its construction I use it all the time. Many years ago there was a pedestrian crossing as well which went from the memorial hall /court side to the Victoria car park side. This was used in tandem with the subway as a crossing point, the crossing was ultimately closed off due to the volume of people crossing the road it was slowing traffic down to much and various pedestrians were getting hit by vehicles! as drivers were getting agitated they couldn't get past. So just imagine when the memorial hall court is up and running and on that new triangular bit all three buttons are being pressed every 5 seconds! That's one way to slow the traffic down! more that it already is! Lets keep it and use it in tandem with new traffic lights plus use the £500,000 to upgrade the subway! The subway and traffic lights on the A556 at Roberts bakery have worked fine together for past 20 years or so! or would that be CWAC. Next stealth target to be closed down! Note - what we would be chucking away if you wanted to construct a 150 foot Subway system today it would cost in excess of £13.5 million.[/p][/quote]I very sensible comment. I'm glad that the vast majority of people think the same. MatthewB
  • Score: 2

9:42am Sat 6 Sep 14

onered says...

I understand the Library is a "Listed Building", this being the Status, aren't the owners are required to keep up with its Maintenance? C.W.A.C, Planning Department would be reminding Private Owners of their responsibilities.
I understand the Library is a "Listed Building", this being the Status, aren't the owners are required to keep up with its Maintenance? C.W.A.C, Planning Department would be reminding Private Owners of their responsibilities. onered
  • Score: 3

10:56am Sat 6 Sep 14

Daniel18 says...

MatthewB wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that Daniel18 seems to support all the council decisions?
He never seems to come up with any suggestions.
Maybe he can't think for himself.......
Matthew, whatever you think I can assure you I do not, nor have I ever worked for Cheshire West and Chester. I can also tell you that I am more than capable of thinking for myself rather than just going along with what everyone else is saying....

As I have stated on this site before, I am not even a supporter of the Conservative party, in fact I think that they are destroying our police forces, army and education systems whilst selling off our NHS to their tory chums - and not forgetting stupid HS2.

However, I am a Northwich resident who has lived around the town all my life, and I am happy to see that change is finally happening in our town. For the past 15-20 years we have had promise after promise that our town will be redeveloped, but until now nothing has ever actually happened.

As part of this change I really feel that the subway (along with the old council offices, police station and benefits office all need to be demolished and replaced with newer offices or flats similar to the Freshwater view development on Castle street.

I also feel that it is quite ironic that we have got a man in Manchester telling us the council shouldn't have a say as they live outside of the town, but to listen to him as he has a house here....
[quote][p][bold]MatthewB[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else noticed that Daniel18 seems to support all the council decisions? He never seems to come up with any suggestions. Maybe he can't think for himself.......[/p][/quote]Matthew, whatever you think I can assure you I do not, nor have I ever worked for Cheshire West and Chester. I can also tell you that I am more than capable of thinking for myself rather than just going along with what everyone else is saying.... As I have stated on this site before, I am not even a supporter of the Conservative party, in fact I think that they are destroying our police forces, army and education systems whilst selling off our NHS to their tory chums - and not forgetting stupid HS2. However, I am a Northwich resident who has lived around the town all my life, and I am happy to see that change is finally happening in our town. For the past 15-20 years we have had promise after promise that our town will be redeveloped, but until now nothing has ever actually happened. As part of this change I really feel that the subway (along with the old council offices, police station and benefits office all need to be demolished and replaced with newer offices or flats similar to the Freshwater view development on Castle street. I also feel that it is quite ironic that we have got a man in Manchester telling us the council shouldn't have a say as they live outside of the town, but to listen to him as he has a house here.... Daniel18
  • Score: 4

12:09pm Sat 6 Sep 14

L Byrne says...

Daniel18

In your usual enthusiasm to suck up to the crackpots in CWAC Council you are misleading readers about what MatthewB and others have suggested about who should be given a say in the consultation exercise about the future of the underpass.

Its simple, it should be confined to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages. I live in Little Leigh and would expect a 'vote' but would not be upset if I was excluded because I live too far away from the town.

CWAC Council would not have a direct say. Council employees and councillors who live in Northwich would natuarally have individual votes.

Simple, its called 'democracy'. It might even be an example of the 'localism' that we were promised by the Tories if they were elected.

Now, when are we going to hear from Cllr Riley about how she proposes to spend that £500,000 in Northwich that would be saved by not filling in the hole. Her silence is deafening. Do me a favour and get on to your contacts in Chester HQ and ask when she or her boss, the redoubtable Leader himself, Cllr Mike Jones, will provide an answer.
Daniel18 In your usual enthusiasm to suck up to the crackpots in CWAC Council you are misleading readers about what MatthewB and others have suggested about who should be given a say in the consultation exercise about the future of the underpass. Its simple, it should be confined to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages. I live in Little Leigh and would expect a 'vote' but would not be upset if I was excluded because I live too far away from the town. CWAC Council would not have a direct say. Council employees and councillors who live in Northwich would natuarally have individual votes. Simple, its called 'democracy'. It might even be an example of the 'localism' that we were promised by the Tories if they were elected. Now, when are we going to hear from Cllr Riley about how she proposes to spend that £500,000 in Northwich that would be saved by not filling in the hole. Her silence is deafening. Do me a favour and get on to your contacts in Chester HQ and ask when she or her boss, the redoubtable Leader himself, Cllr Mike Jones, will provide an answer. L Byrne
  • Score: 3

4:24pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Chesnews says...

Daniel just because someone makes a comment from another town or city about any development there shouldn't be an issue as I've commented in the past on many buildings in manchester which should of been saved from developers. Like the old infirmary buildings in Piccadilly gardens . And quite a few pubs too! In London they knocked down the euston archway a beautiful monument! Of which most people do say now, it should never of been knocked down and are trying to re-build it again.

Lets face it there's a few buildings In small catherdral city of Chester I'd love to have knocked down! Remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder - believe it or not Daniel the old police station was a beautiful building just like the old market before they knocked them down
And when they built the new concrete police station in the 60's it was hailed as a great building of design obviously now to many people, it wasn't so! don't be to quick to condem people's views wherever they come from! As people looking from the outside can sometimes give you a different prospective on things. Next minute you'll be saying people from northwich can't have views on football teams from manchester and liverpool.


The problem we have with cheshire west and Chester council they are just not listening to the people of northwich on views that are important! Yes we need change but it needs to be the right balance of change! The subway is a great facility and needs to be retained Its ugly in my eyes but it serves a purpose that's why it needs the upgrade!
Daniel just because someone makes a comment from another town or city about any development there shouldn't be an issue as I've commented in the past on many buildings in manchester which should of been saved from developers. Like the old infirmary buildings in Piccadilly gardens . And quite a few pubs too! In London they knocked down the euston archway a beautiful monument! Of which most people do say now, it should never of been knocked down and are trying to re-build it again. Lets face it there's a few buildings In small catherdral city of Chester I'd love to have knocked down! Remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder - believe it or not Daniel the old police station was a beautiful building just like the old market before they knocked them down And when they built the new concrete police station in the 60's it was hailed as a great building of design obviously now to many people, it wasn't so! don't be to quick to condem people's views wherever they come from! As people looking from the outside can sometimes give you a different prospective on things. Next minute you'll be saying people from northwich can't have views on football teams from manchester and liverpool. The problem we have with cheshire west and Chester council they are just not listening to the people of northwich on views that are important! Yes we need change but it needs to be the right balance of change! The subway is a great facility and needs to be retained Its ugly in my eyes but it serves a purpose that's why it needs the upgrade! Chesnews
  • Score: 1

4:34pm Sat 6 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

L Byrne wrote:
Daniel18

In your usual enthusiasm to suck up to the crackpots in CWAC Council you are misleading readers about what MatthewB and others have suggested about who should be given a say in the consultation exercise about the future of the underpass.

Its simple, it should be confined to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages. I live in Little Leigh and would expect a 'vote' but would not be upset if I was excluded because I live too far away from the town.

CWAC Council would not have a direct say. Council employees and councillors who live in Northwich would natuarally have individual votes.

Simple, its called 'democracy'. It might even be an example of the 'localism' that we were promised by the Tories if they were elected.

Now, when are we going to hear from Cllr Riley about how she proposes to spend that £500,000 in Northwich that would be saved by not filling in the hole. Her silence is deafening. Do me a favour and get on to your contacts in Chester HQ and ask when she or her boss, the redoubtable Leader himself, Cllr Mike Jones, will provide an answer.
Very well said.
My thoughts exactly.
[quote][p][bold]L Byrne[/bold] wrote: Daniel18 In your usual enthusiasm to suck up to the crackpots in CWAC Council you are misleading readers about what MatthewB and others have suggested about who should be given a say in the consultation exercise about the future of the underpass. Its simple, it should be confined to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages. I live in Little Leigh and would expect a 'vote' but would not be upset if I was excluded because I live too far away from the town. CWAC Council would not have a direct say. Council employees and councillors who live in Northwich would natuarally have individual votes. Simple, its called 'democracy'. It might even be an example of the 'localism' that we were promised by the Tories if they were elected. Now, when are we going to hear from Cllr Riley about how she proposes to spend that £500,000 in Northwich that would be saved by not filling in the hole. Her silence is deafening. Do me a favour and get on to your contacts in Chester HQ and ask when she or her boss, the redoubtable Leader himself, Cllr Mike Jones, will provide an answer.[/p][/quote]Very well said. My thoughts exactly. MatthewB
  • Score: -2

4:37pm Sat 6 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Chesnews wrote:
Daniel just because someone makes a comment from another town or city about any development there shouldn't be an issue as I've commented in the past on many buildings in manchester which should of been saved from developers. Like the old infirmary buildings in Piccadilly gardens . And quite a few pubs too! In London they knocked down the euston archway a beautiful monument! Of which most people do say now, it should never of been knocked down and are trying to re-build it again.

Lets face it there's a few buildings In small catherdral city of Chester I'd love to have knocked down! Remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder - believe it or not Daniel the old police station was a beautiful building just like the old market before they knocked them down
And when they built the new concrete police station in the 60's it was hailed as a great building of design obviously now to many people, it wasn't so! don't be to quick to condem people's views wherever they come from! As people looking from the outside can sometimes give you a different prospective on things. Next minute you'll be saying people from northwich can't have views on football teams from manchester and liverpool.


The problem we have with cheshire west and Chester council they are just not listening to the people of northwich on views that are important! Yes we need change but it needs to be the right balance of change! The subway is a great facility and needs to be retained Its ugly in my eyes but it serves a purpose that's why it needs the upgrade!
Quite correct.
Funny how the rest of us seem to agree.
[quote][p][bold]Chesnews[/bold] wrote: Daniel just because someone makes a comment from another town or city about any development there shouldn't be an issue as I've commented in the past on many buildings in manchester which should of been saved from developers. Like the old infirmary buildings in Piccadilly gardens . And quite a few pubs too! In London they knocked down the euston archway a beautiful monument! Of which most people do say now, it should never of been knocked down and are trying to re-build it again. Lets face it there's a few buildings In small catherdral city of Chester I'd love to have knocked down! Remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder - believe it or not Daniel the old police station was a beautiful building just like the old market before they knocked them down And when they built the new concrete police station in the 60's it was hailed as a great building of design obviously now to many people, it wasn't so! don't be to quick to condem people's views wherever they come from! As people looking from the outside can sometimes give you a different prospective on things. Next minute you'll be saying people from northwich can't have views on football teams from manchester and liverpool. The problem we have with cheshire west and Chester council they are just not listening to the people of northwich on views that are important! Yes we need change but it needs to be the right balance of change! The subway is a great facility and needs to be retained Its ugly in my eyes but it serves a purpose that's why it needs the upgrade![/p][/quote]Quite correct. Funny how the rest of us seem to agree. MatthewB
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Daniel18 says...

Chesnews, Matthew & Liam, you can all accuse me of whatever you want, but as a Northwich resident I, as much as any other resident in our town, am entitled to have my own opinion on what I believe is best for my home town - and on this issue I believe that it should be filled.

For once I have to say that I agree with the comment that Liam made above, the future of the underpass should be decided by a consultation that is "confined to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages" - i.e. the people that live in Northwich.
Chesnews, Matthew & Liam, you can all accuse me of whatever you want, but as a Northwich resident I, as much as any other resident in our town, am entitled to have my own opinion on what I believe is best for my home town - and on this issue I believe that it should be filled. For once I have to say that I agree with the comment that Liam made above, the future of the underpass should be decided by a consultation that is "confined to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages" - i.e. the people that live in Northwich. Daniel18
  • Score: 5

11:27pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Fredericus says...

Keep it as it is. I made the huge mistake of trying to get through Northwich from Winnington to Rudheath several weeks back. It took twenty minutes to get from the infirmary to the lights at the bull ring. I was mortified to discover that the council appear to be making the light system there only one lane. Surely this is some kind of joke?
Keep it as it is. I made the huge mistake of trying to get through Northwich from Winnington to Rudheath several weeks back. It took twenty minutes to get from the infirmary to the lights at the bull ring. I was mortified to discover that the council appear to be making the light system there only one lane. Surely this is some kind of joke? Fredericus
  • Score: -2

12:46am Sun 7 Sep 14

L Byrne says...

Daniel18 wrote:
Chesnews, Matthew & Liam, you can all accuse me of whatever you want, but as a Northwich resident I, as much as any other resident in our town, am entitled to have my own opinion on what I believe is best for my home town - and on this issue I believe that it should be filled.

For once I have to say that I agree with the comment that Liam made above, the future of the underpass should be decided by a consultation that is "confined to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages" - i.e. the people that live in Northwich.
I assume that Cllr Riley is keeping an eye on this debate particularly as she made a contribution in the early stages.

I am therefore asking her to please take note of the violent agreement that has broken out amongst us about the nature of the consultation exercise that the Council has promised to undertake.

Simply, it should be restricted to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages all of whom should be given an equal say. The issue of whether or not the underpass is removed from use and filled in to be decided by a simple majority vote.

I am sure that we all await her response with interest and I hope that the Northwich Guardian will give this matter the attention that it warrants.
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: Chesnews, Matthew & Liam, you can all accuse me of whatever you want, but as a Northwich resident I, as much as any other resident in our town, am entitled to have my own opinion on what I believe is best for my home town - and on this issue I believe that it should be filled. For once I have to say that I agree with the comment that Liam made above, the future of the underpass should be decided by a consultation that is "confined to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages" - i.e. the people that live in Northwich.[/p][/quote]I assume that Cllr Riley is keeping an eye on this debate particularly as she made a contribution in the early stages. I am therefore asking her to please take note of the violent agreement that has broken out amongst us about the nature of the consultation exercise that the Council has promised to undertake. Simply, it should be restricted to residents of Northwich and the adjoining villages all of whom should be given an equal say. The issue of whether or not the underpass is removed from use and filled in to be decided by a simple majority vote. I am sure that we all await her response with interest and I hope that the Northwich Guardian will give this matter the attention that it warrants. L Byrne
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Chesnews says...

Daniel everyone is entitled to their opinion even if your an ex resident who maybe lives in china or France Its called democracy Just to clarify Daniel I've lived in northwich for over 50 years and I've seen many changes yes you are entitled to your opinion but so is every body else. What you need to do Daniel is to read between the lines I think everybody in northwich and on this website. Specific to this news thread. Are in agreeance that northwich does need change but there's an old saying "never make change for the sake of change" what am saying is
We don't just wipe everything out! we take each entity on its merit!

So for instance

New life style centre. =. Looking good (public money)
Hayhurst quay = looking good (private money)
barons quay = needs to developed but very bad planning
(Needs to be visually better looking - not just square boxes as shops)
Northwich road network = needs doing! problem is what CWAC have done looks pretty but there just firefighting! it won't work long term, as I've said before on previous posts! when all these near on 6000 houses have been built that will take the greater northwich population to near on 100,000 plus the other people from other areas will flock to northwich. I don't know any town in the country with a population that big which doesn't 4 lane through roads especially where we have town bridges which were built for horse and cart and that apparently have standard weight limits of 32 tons. wonder what two HGVS weight in standing on the bridges does it contravene weight limits? Work has been done but only to bring it to existing full loading. I've never seen SWL limit plates on both bridges.

Interesting read Daniel and anyone else if your interested

http://hansard.millb
anksystems.com/commo
ns/1976/feb/17/north
wich-swing-bridges
Daniel everyone is entitled to their opinion even if your an ex resident who maybe lives in china or France Its called democracy Just to clarify Daniel I've lived in northwich for over 50 years and I've seen many changes yes you are entitled to your opinion but so is every body else. What you need to do Daniel is to read between the lines I think everybody in northwich and on this website. Specific to this news thread. Are in agreeance that northwich does need change but there's an old saying "never make change for the sake of change" what am saying is We don't just wipe everything out! we take each entity on its merit! So for instance New life style centre. =. Looking good (public money) Hayhurst quay = looking good (private money) barons quay = needs to developed but very bad planning (Needs to be visually better looking - not just square boxes as shops) Northwich road network = needs doing! problem is what CWAC have done looks pretty but there just firefighting! it won't work long term, as I've said before on previous posts! when all these near on 6000 houses have been built that will take the greater northwich population to near on 100,000 plus the other people from other areas will flock to northwich. I don't know any town in the country with a population that big which doesn't 4 lane through roads especially where we have town bridges which were built for horse and cart and that apparently have standard weight limits of 32 tons. wonder what two HGVS weight in standing on the bridges does it contravene weight limits? Work has been done but only to bring it to existing full loading. I've never seen SWL limit plates on both bridges. Interesting read Daniel and anyone else if your interested http://hansard.millb anksystems.com/commo ns/1976/feb/17/north wich-swing-bridges Chesnews
  • Score: -5

5:54pm Mon 8 Sep 14

Daniel18 says...

ChesNews

At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway.

What I have stated, along with Liam Byrne, is they should not make the final decision. For example you may have an opinion on who you want to be the next MP in Manchester - but you do not have the right to vote unless you live in the area - as that would not be democratic.
ChesNews At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway. What I have stated, along with Liam Byrne, is they should not make the final decision. For example you may have an opinion on who you want to be the next MP in Manchester - but you do not have the right to vote unless you live in the area - as that would not be democratic. Daniel18
  • Score: 5

12:47pm Wed 10 Sep 14

Simonji says...

Fill it with water and give it eight lanes. Knock down the waste of money being built nearby.
Fill it with water and give it eight lanes. Knock down the waste of money being built nearby. Simonji
  • Score: -1

9:14pm Wed 10 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Daniel 18 says:
I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant?

Then Daniel18 says:
At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway

I'll let you decide.....
Daniel 18 says: I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant? Then Daniel18 says: At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway I'll let you decide..... MatthewB
  • Score: -2

10:31am Thu 11 Sep 14

PrideofNorthwich says...

There is absolutely no need to fill the subway, it has provided a safe way for people to get into town for many, many years and I can't help but think that the money would be much better spent elsewhere making Northwich a more attractive place to shop and for visitors from outside town to visit.

A lick of paint and, as mentioned by someone above, maybe some sort of decoration to remember aspects of Northwich's past would be ideal. We're already having to put up with the new road system (which to date has made little difference to the flow of traffic in my opinion) lets hope more money isn't wasted on this ridiculous suggestion.
There is absolutely no need to fill the subway, it has provided a safe way for people to get into town for many, many years and I can't help but think that the money would be much better spent elsewhere making Northwich a more attractive place to shop and for visitors from outside town to visit. A lick of paint and, as mentioned by someone above, maybe some sort of decoration to remember aspects of Northwich's past would be ideal. We're already having to put up with the new road system (which to date has made little difference to the flow of traffic in my opinion) lets hope more money isn't wasted on this ridiculous suggestion. PrideofNorthwich
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Thu 11 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

PrideofNorthwich wrote:
There is absolutely no need to fill the subway, it has provided a safe way for people to get into town for many, many years and I can't help but think that the money would be much better spent elsewhere making Northwich a more attractive place to shop and for visitors from outside town to visit.

A lick of paint and, as mentioned by someone above, maybe some sort of decoration to remember aspects of Northwich's past would be ideal. We're already having to put up with the new road system (which to date has made little difference to the flow of traffic in my opinion) lets hope more money isn't wasted on this ridiculous suggestion.
I agree with you.
We can keep the subway and put a Muriel on it.
Northwich past and present with dates to match would be great.
We could also fix that water fountain nearby with the money we save.
[quote][p][bold]PrideofNorthwich[/bold] wrote: There is absolutely no need to fill the subway, it has provided a safe way for people to get into town for many, many years and I can't help but think that the money would be much better spent elsewhere making Northwich a more attractive place to shop and for visitors from outside town to visit. A lick of paint and, as mentioned by someone above, maybe some sort of decoration to remember aspects of Northwich's past would be ideal. We're already having to put up with the new road system (which to date has made little difference to the flow of traffic in my opinion) lets hope more money isn't wasted on this ridiculous suggestion.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. We can keep the subway and put a Muriel on it. Northwich past and present with dates to match would be great. We could also fix that water fountain nearby with the money we save. MatthewB
  • Score: -1

5:10pm Thu 11 Sep 14

Daniel18 says...

MatthewB wrote:
Daniel 18 says:
I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant?

Then Daniel18 says:
At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway

I'll let you decide.....
Matthew -You seem to miss off half of my comment (I wonder why...)
The whole comment said:
“At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway.
What I have stated, along with Liam Byrne, is they should not make the final decision. For example you may have an opinion on who you want to be the next MP in Manchester - but you do not have the right to vote unless you live in the area - as that would not be democratic.”

In saying this I was referring to the comment in which you (Somebody who LIVES in Manchester and owns a house in Northwich said:
"Northwich Town Council, the people from Northwich and anyone with an invested interest in Northwich should have the say on these issues."
i.e – You think that you should have vote on the outcome of the Subway as you own a house here (Or Invested interest as you call it), despite the fact that it will not affect you as you live miles away…
[quote][p][bold]MatthewB[/bold] wrote: Daniel 18 says: I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant? Then Daniel18 says: At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway I'll let you decide.....[/p][/quote]Matthew -You seem to miss off half of my comment (I wonder why...) The whole comment said: “At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway. What I have stated, along with Liam Byrne, is they should not make the final decision. For example you may have an opinion on who you want to be the next MP in Manchester - but you do not have the right to vote unless you live in the area - as that would not be democratic.” In saying this I was referring to the comment in which you (Somebody who LIVES in Manchester and owns a house in Northwich said: "Northwich Town Council, the people from Northwich and anyone with an invested interest in Northwich should have the say on these issues." i.e – You think that you should have vote on the outcome of the Subway as you own a house here (Or Invested interest as you call it), despite the fact that it will not affect you as you live miles away… Daniel18
  • Score: -1

8:01am Fri 12 Sep 14

MatthewB says...

Daniel18 wrote:
MatthewB wrote:
Daniel 18 says:
I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant?

Then Daniel18 says:
At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway

I'll let you decide.....
Matthew -You seem to miss off half of my comment (I wonder why...)
The whole comment said:
“At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway.
What I have stated, along with Liam Byrne, is they should not make the final decision. For example you may have an opinion on who you want to be the next MP in Manchester - but you do not have the right to vote unless you live in the area - as that would not be democratic.”

In saying this I was referring to the comment in which you (Somebody who LIVES in Manchester and owns a house in Northwich said:
"Northwich Town Council, the people from Northwich and anyone with an invested interest in Northwich should have the say on these issues."
i.e – You think that you should have vote on the outcome of the Subway as you own a house here (Or Invested interest as you call it), despite the fact that it will not affect you as you live miles away…
Well FYI I come to Northwich nearly every week shopping and to see friends.
I use this subway when I park in the car park behind the old memorial hall to get into the shopping area.
I think it is a safe place to cross this road (especially when you have a 3 year old with you as I always do).

This is about safety when crossing the road.
I see morons all day long texting or talking on a mobile phone while driving and I put safety above all else.
The subway is the safest option to cross this road.
[quote][p][bold]Daniel18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewB[/bold] wrote: Daniel 18 says: I had to laugh at the Matthew Bs comment, CWAC shouldn't have a say on the subway as they live outside of the town, yet he lives in Manchester and thinks he should have a say as he owns a house in the town?!?!? Does that mean the TATA family in India should have a say as they own the chemical plant? Then Daniel18 says: At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway I'll let you decide.....[/p][/quote]Matthew -You seem to miss off half of my comment (I wonder why...) The whole comment said: “At no point in any of my comments have a stated that people from outside Northwich cannot have an opinion of the fate of the subway. What I have stated, along with Liam Byrne, is they should not make the final decision. For example you may have an opinion on who you want to be the next MP in Manchester - but you do not have the right to vote unless you live in the area - as that would not be democratic.” In saying this I was referring to the comment in which you (Somebody who LIVES in Manchester and owns a house in Northwich said: "Northwich Town Council, the people from Northwich and anyone with an invested interest in Northwich should have the say on these issues." i.e – You think that you should have vote on the outcome of the Subway as you own a house here (Or Invested interest as you call it), despite the fact that it will not affect you as you live miles away…[/p][/quote]Well FYI I come to Northwich nearly every week shopping and to see friends. I use this subway when I park in the car park behind the old memorial hall to get into the shopping area. I think it is a safe place to cross this road (especially when you have a 3 year old with you as I always do). This is about safety when crossing the road. I see morons all day long texting or talking on a mobile phone while driving and I put safety above all else. The subway is the safest option to cross this road. MatthewB
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Sat 13 Sep 14

Logic2 says...

As previously pointed out it would cost millions of pounds to construct such a wonderful facility as the subway is,offering safe access through the town for all pedestrians.The subway was constructed many years ago when traffic levels was much less, so the need today is multiplied many times over.I suggest the people who make these decisions come into Northwich and navigate their way through the town via car and pedestrian walkway to see how ridiculous the suggestion is of filling in the subway.The area just needs keeping clean.
As previously pointed out it would cost millions of pounds to construct such a wonderful facility as the subway is,offering safe access through the town for all pedestrians.The subway was constructed many years ago when traffic levels was much less, so the need today is multiplied many times over.I suggest the people who make these decisions come into Northwich and navigate their way through the town via car and pedestrian walkway to see how ridiculous the suggestion is of filling in the subway.The area just needs keeping clean. Logic2
  • Score: 0
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