Village to suffer 60 oil tanker journeys each day

UP to 30 tankers are set to trundle through the village of Lach Dennis each day for 12 months, carrying oil destined for a refinery at Ellesmere Port.

The oil is due to be recovered from 34 salt caverns 200 metres below ground to the south east of Plumley, north east of Lach Dennis and west of Peover.

The work is set to start in September 2015, and is expected to last a year.

The aim is to use up to 30 tankers a day to transport oil from the storage site to the A556, equivalent to 60 journeys a day through Lach Dennis, with each lorry travelling to and from the site.

The Government’s Oil and Pipeline Agency has appointed Essar Oil (UK) to recover the oil from long-term storage, before transporting it to Essar’s Stanlow refinery.

The storage site is accessed from Back Lane, which runs between Hulme Lane and Plumley Moor Road.

Press briefing information said the agency is conscious that the increase in traffic from the tankers may cause disturbance or inconvenience to local communities, and the agency has proposed measures aimed at reducing the inconvenience.

These include implementing voluntary speed limits for tankers lower than the current mandatory limits along the route from the storage site to Lach Dennis and through the village.

It is also planned to create traffic calming ‘welcome’ signs at the entry to the village, install passing places along Back Lane, grit roads in winter and work with residents to determine the hours the tankers would operate.

The document stresses that the project has nothing to do with fracking, and does not involve drilling.

The tanker transport route runs from Back Lane, through Lach Dennis and along the A556 through Lostock Gralam and the motorway network to Stanlow.

The document states that a great deal of work has gone into investigating alternative methods of transporting the oil to avoid using road transport.

It says none of the alternative methods proved viable or proportionate in terms of the time, expense and disruption and/or environmental impact they would cause, in relation to the nature, scale and expected duration of the project.

A survey carried out in March indicated the tankers would increase HGV traffic through Lach Dennis by 11.8 per cent and total daily traffic by 1.3 per cent.

The agency and Essar have discussed the project with parish councils covering Plumley, Peover, Lostock Gralam and Lach Dennis, and the document states the agency would continue to liaise and listen to feedback in the run-up to and throughout the project.

It has written to residents and businesses near the storage site and along and near the transport route, and a two-day ‘open door’ event for Lach Dennis residents takes place at Lach Dennis Village Hall on Friday, from 2.30pm to 7pm, and on Saturday, from 11am to 4pm.

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9:33pm Thu 26 Jun 14

hectorplain says...

I would like to know whose bright idea it was to leave the oil in the salt mine instead of taking it off to be refined in the first place!!


This is what is known as 'double handling' this results from a lack of forward planning.

If it was put there for a rainy day then why is it being used now?

I bet that oil is worth a king's ransom and it is being sold off to make a rich man even richer.

The noise, fumes and vibration from the road tankers will irritate the folks nearby. Lets just hope none of the oil is spilled on the road as it would be hazard for cyclists.
I would like to know whose bright idea it was to leave the oil in the salt mine instead of taking it off to be refined in the first place!! This is what is known as 'double handling' this results from a lack of forward planning. If it was put there for a rainy day then why is it being used now? I bet that oil is worth a king's ransom and it is being sold off to make a rich man even richer. The noise, fumes and vibration from the road tankers will irritate the folks nearby. Lets just hope none of the oil is spilled on the road as it would be hazard for cyclists. hectorplain
  • Score: 25

8:32pm Mon 30 Jun 14

hectorplain says...

I'm surprised no one is moaning about this.

I know we all need oil on a daily basis but we must not let bad decision making go unnoticed.
I'm surprised no one is moaning about this. I know we all need oil on a daily basis but we must not let bad decision making go unnoticed. hectorplain
  • Score: 15

11:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Chesvin says...

in response to

"I would like to know whose bright idea it was to leave the oil in the salt mine instead of taking it off to be refined in the first place!!..."

I'd suggest review of

http://www.csorp.net
/
in response to "I would like to know whose bright idea it was to leave the oil in the salt mine instead of taking it off to be refined in the first place!!..." I'd suggest review of http://www.csorp.net / Chesvin
  • Score: -5

9:15am Fri 4 Jul 14

hectorplain says...

Chesvin wrote:
in response to

"I would like to know whose bright idea it was to leave the oil in the salt mine instead of taking it off to be refined in the first place!!..."

I'd suggest review of

http://www.csorp.net

/
Oh no way.

Even with an efficient anti-virus protection I will not be drawn into web sites that could infect my browser.

Some of those viruses can be a devil to remove.
[quote][p][bold]Chesvin[/bold] wrote: in response to "I would like to know whose bright idea it was to leave the oil in the salt mine instead of taking it off to be refined in the first place!!..." I'd suggest review of http://www.csorp.net /[/p][/quote]Oh no way. Even with an efficient anti-virus protection I will not be drawn into web sites that could infect my browser. Some of those viruses can be a devil to remove. hectorplain
  • Score: 6

2:41pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Chesvin says...

OK then,

The ministry of defense put it there in the 50's

CSORP is the Cheshire stored oil recovery project and the website is there to aid informed debate.

Last I was aware the government doesn't generally sponser the proliferation of viruses
OK then, The ministry of defense put it there in the 50's CSORP is the Cheshire stored oil recovery project and the website is there to aid informed debate. Last I was aware the government doesn't generally sponser the proliferation of viruses Chesvin
  • Score: -8

9:02pm Sat 5 Jul 14

hectorplain says...

Ahhh! I see.

The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!!


Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me.
Ahhh! I see. The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!! Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me. hectorplain
  • Score: 10

9:07pm Sat 5 Jul 14

hectorplain says...

Ahhh! Now I see.
The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!!

Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me.
Ahhh! Now I see. The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!! Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me. hectorplain
  • Score: 8

9:14pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Chesvin says...

hectorplain wrote:
Ahhh! I see.

The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!!


Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me.
Have you any idea what you're talking about?
Perhaps you'd care to look at the applications to do these works at the relevant sites or is every site in the world mined with viruses other than the guardian?

Would you like them to leave it there and wait for contamination of the water courses or deal with the repercutions of a decision made immediately post war?

This is called considered debate.
[quote][p][bold]hectorplain[/bold] wrote: Ahhh! I see. The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!! Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me.[/p][/quote]Have you any idea what you're talking about? Perhaps you'd care to look at the applications to do these works at the relevant sites or is every site in the world mined with viruses other than the guardian? Would you like them to leave it there and wait for contamination of the water courses or deal with the repercutions of a decision made immediately post war? This is called considered debate. Chesvin
  • Score: -14

11:54pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Chesvin says...

Chesvin wrote:
hectorplain wrote:
Ahhh! I see.

The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!!


Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me.
Have you any idea what you're talking about?
Perhaps you'd care to look at the applications to do these works at the relevant sites or is every site in the world mined with viruses other than the guardian?

Would you like them to leave it there and wait for contamination of the water courses or deal with the repercutions of a decision made immediately post war?

This is called considered debate.
Oh come on,

1) the caverns are far below the water courses
Or
2) they want to replace the oil with gas
Or
3) they're concerned about damaging them whilst fracking
Or
4) they're concerned that HS2 works will damage them
Or
5) they're concerned that HS2 operation will damage them
Or
6) the countries on its knees and we need to cash in on out assets

I'm sure you have a valid opinion you'd like to debate?
[quote][p][bold]Chesvin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hectorplain[/bold] wrote: Ahhh! I see. The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!! Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me.[/p][/quote]Have you any idea what you're talking about? Perhaps you'd care to look at the applications to do these works at the relevant sites or is every site in the world mined with viruses other than the guardian? Would you like them to leave it there and wait for contamination of the water courses or deal with the repercutions of a decision made immediately post war? This is called considered debate.[/p][/quote]Oh come on, 1) the caverns are far below the water courses Or 2) they want to replace the oil with gas Or 3) they're concerned about damaging them whilst fracking Or 4) they're concerned that HS2 works will damage them Or 5) they're concerned that HS2 operation will damage them Or 6) the countries on its knees and we need to cash in on out assets I'm sure you have a valid opinion you'd like to debate? Chesvin
  • Score: -6

5:38pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Chesvin says...

Chesvin wrote:
Chesvin wrote:
hectorplain wrote:
Ahhh! I see.

The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!!


Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me.
Have you any idea what you're talking about?
Perhaps you'd care to look at the applications to do these works at the relevant sites or is every site in the world mined with viruses other than the guardian?

Would you like them to leave it there and wait for contamination of the water courses or deal with the repercutions of a decision made immediately post war?

This is called considered debate.
Oh come on,

1) the caverns are far below the water courses
Or
2) they want to replace the oil with gas
Or
3) they're concerned about damaging them whilst fracking
Or
4) they're concerned that HS2 works will damage them
Or
5) they're concerned that HS2 operation will damage them
Or
6) the countries on its knees and we need to cash in on out assets

I'm sure you have a valid opinion you'd like to debate?
At very least I must work for them?

This is actually something happening local to Northwich worthy of debate - and nobody has had anything constructive to add. Does this mean that even more housing estates will get the go ahead around lach-dennis? Would the residents rather sit on an legacy pool store or have new neighbours?

I think its a few tickler before they decide that actually they'll be good for gas after all once they've brine in them.
[quote][p][bold]Chesvin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chesvin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hectorplain[/bold] wrote: Ahhh! I see. The oil is part of a top secret government defence initiative to ensure we have energy in the event of a nuclear strike!! Well don't worry, the secret is safe with me.[/p][/quote]Have you any idea what you're talking about? Perhaps you'd care to look at the applications to do these works at the relevant sites or is every site in the world mined with viruses other than the guardian? Would you like them to leave it there and wait for contamination of the water courses or deal with the repercutions of a decision made immediately post war? This is called considered debate.[/p][/quote]Oh come on, 1) the caverns are far below the water courses Or 2) they want to replace the oil with gas Or 3) they're concerned about damaging them whilst fracking Or 4) they're concerned that HS2 works will damage them Or 5) they're concerned that HS2 operation will damage them Or 6) the countries on its knees and we need to cash in on out assets I'm sure you have a valid opinion you'd like to debate?[/p][/quote]At very least I must work for them? This is actually something happening local to Northwich worthy of debate - and nobody has had anything constructive to add. Does this mean that even more housing estates will get the go ahead around lach-dennis? Would the residents rather sit on an legacy pool store or have new neighbours? I think its a few tickler before they decide that actually they'll be good for gas after all once they've brine in them. Chesvin
  • Score: -6

9:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

hectorplain says...

I'm afraid what we have here is a blatant case on NIMBYism.

Sorry, but that the only conclusion I can draw.
I'm afraid what we have here is a blatant case on NIMBYism. Sorry, but that the only conclusion I can draw. hectorplain
  • Score: 15

7:19pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Chesvin says...

hectorplain wrote:
I'm afraid what we have here is a blatant case on NIMBYism.

Sorry, but that the only conclusion I can draw.
I'd have thought I had to live there or at least near there first to be a NIMBY.

I was only answering your question as to why the oil is there. I'd have thought you'd be interested given your assumption that it was down to either incompetent management or greed.

I'm clearly wrong since it would appear that +21 people support an incorrect accusation and -1 detest been directed to a source of factual information.
[quote][p][bold]hectorplain[/bold] wrote: I'm afraid what we have here is a blatant case on NIMBYism. Sorry, but that the only conclusion I can draw.[/p][/quote]I'd have thought I had to live there or at least near there first to be a NIMBY. I was only answering your question as to why the oil is there. I'd have thought you'd be interested given your assumption that it was down to either incompetent management or greed. I'm clearly wrong since it would appear that +21 people support an incorrect accusation and -1 detest been directed to a source of factual information. Chesvin
  • Score: -8

12:31pm Fri 11 Jul 14

hectorplain says...

"I'd have thought I had to live there or at least near there first to be a NIMBY."

Nice try, but that answer won't butter many parsnips in the final analysis.
"I'd have thought I had to live there or at least near there first to be a NIMBY." Nice try, but that answer won't butter many parsnips in the final analysis. hectorplain
  • Score: 9

9:21pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Chesvin says...

hectorplain wrote:
"I'd have thought I had to live there or at least near there first to be a NIMBY."

Nice try, but that answer won't butter many parsnips in the final analysis.
I'd have thought in the final analysis your talking complete rubbish, you've accused the MOD of incompetence and myself of trying to spread viruses and of living at or near somewhere I don't.

I don't like completely unsubstantiated claims / inconsidered comment and tried to direct you to clarification on the matter, in reponse you have chosen to make me part of some greater conspiracy theory and otherwise libled, again without the slightest substantiation or considered thought applied.

Please feel free for yourself and 'friends' to vote me down - I'd be disappointed with anything less than -6 in 'the final analysis'. I look forward to your latest coherent comment with relish to accompany the buttered parsnip.
[quote][p][bold]hectorplain[/bold] wrote: "I'd have thought I had to live there or at least near there first to be a NIMBY." Nice try, but that answer won't butter many parsnips in the final analysis.[/p][/quote]I'd have thought in the final analysis your talking complete rubbish, you've accused the MOD of incompetence and myself of trying to spread viruses and of living at or near somewhere I don't. I don't like completely unsubstantiated claims / inconsidered comment and tried to direct you to clarification on the matter, in reponse you have chosen to make me part of some greater conspiracy theory and otherwise libled, again without the slightest substantiation or considered thought applied. Please feel free for yourself and 'friends' to vote me down - I'd be disappointed with anything less than -6 in 'the final analysis'. I look forward to your latest coherent comment with relish to accompany the buttered parsnip. Chesvin
  • Score: -9

2:12pm Sat 12 Jul 14

hectorplain says...

Quote
'I'd have thought in the final analysis your talking complete rubbish....'

In polite and informed society when you resort to insult in place of reasoned intelligent observation, then you automatically lose the argument.

I therefore rest my my case.

QED
Quote 'I'd have thought in the final analysis your talking complete rubbish....' In polite and informed society when you resort to insult in place of reasoned intelligent observation, then you automatically lose the argument. I therefore rest my my case. QED hectorplain
  • Score: 15
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