Councils explore whether or not to close Northwich's subway system

The future of Northwich's subway is being discussed.

The future of Northwich's subway is being discussed.

First published in News Northwich Guardian: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

PLANS to close Northwich’s subway could be buried if residents want it to stay open.

Cheshire West and Chester Council (CWAC) had suggested filling the Chesterway underpass in as part of work to develop the new Memorial Court and its surroundings.

Northwich Town Council expressed its concerns about the proposal to replace the subway system with a pelican crossing and will now take part in a joint consultation with CWAC.

Town clerk Chris Shaw said he had been assured that no decision had been made and that initial reports into the issue will go before both councils, which will then work together on the consultation.

Clr Kevin Rimmer said: “If that’s done properly and CWAC is true to its word then that’s definitely the way forward and I would support that.”

Clr Paul Dolan said he was still waiting for evidence that the underpass was unsafe.

“One or two people talk about their concerns about safety in subways,” he said.

“In that particular subway I’m not aware of any particular issues.

“I just wondered, again, have we got any evidence to suggest that having the subways is less safe than not having them and can that information inform the final decision?

“I would like to know the number of incidents that might have occurred there in the past year or so.”

Mr Shaw said a report on this issue was being put together before the consultation was launched.

Reports will go before Northwich Town Council’s planning committee.

In February CWAC said it would fill in the underpass if it had the money as crossing at ground level was safer.

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3:54pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Andy Stott says...

Let's see if CWAC actually listen to the people of Northwich for a change!
There have been too many occasions where their idea of consultation has been to ignore the views of the people they serve and do as they want.
Let's see if CWAC actually listen to the people of Northwich for a change! There have been too many occasions where their idea of consultation has been to ignore the views of the people they serve and do as they want. Andy Stott
  • Score: 7

4:46pm Mon 16 Jun 14

WHS says...

As I see no one using it from one week to another it should go. It could be put to a different use, a skate park?
WHS.
As I see no one using it from one week to another it should go. It could be put to a different use, a skate park? WHS. WHS
  • Score: 5

7:48pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Anonamatty says...

Just look at the picture of it.. let it go.
Just look at the picture of it.. let it go. Anonamatty
  • Score: 10

8:09am Tue 17 Jun 14

keith moss says...

clean it ,paint it and install one or two of those CCTV cameras and some lights.Alternatively it could be filled in . Let us then compare accidents involving pedestrians crossing the road in the area with violent or dangerous incidents in the subway over the past twenty years rather than listening to the fears of nervous old ladies startled by the sound of an echo.If the subway goes ,what choice then ? I suspect that when the new swimming pool opens a lot more people will use the subway to access that particular area of Northwich but i also suspect that CWAC has a plan already pencilled in for after the "consultation" ends...Just think of all those wonderful roadworks x
clean it ,paint it and install one or two of those CCTV cameras and some lights.Alternatively it could be filled in . Let us then compare accidents involving pedestrians crossing the road in the area with violent or dangerous incidents in the subway over the past twenty years rather than listening to the fears of nervous old ladies startled by the sound of an echo.If the subway goes ,what choice then ? I suspect that when the new swimming pool opens a lot more people will use the subway to access that particular area of Northwich but i also suspect that CWAC has a plan already pencilled in for after the "consultation" ends...Just think of all those wonderful roadworks x keith moss
  • Score: -7

10:17am Tue 17 Jun 14

Dave Dutch Holland says...

Absolutely spot on Keith, your subway CCTV is a fantastic safety and security idea to encourage its use.
Why waste money filling it in, why not use a fraction of that money making it attractive.
Absolutely spot on Keith, your subway CCTV is a fantastic safety and security idea to encourage its use. Why waste money filling it in, why not use a fraction of that money making it attractive. Dave Dutch Holland
  • Score: -8

7:33pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Daniel18 says...

Anonamatty wrote:
Just look at the picture of it.. let it go.
Can't agree more! it looks awful & is hardly used - just fill the who thing in once the new crossing is installed on the Gyratory.
[quote][p][bold]Anonamatty[/bold] wrote: Just look at the picture of it.. let it go.[/p][/quote]Can't agree more! it looks awful & is hardly used - just fill the who thing in once the new crossing is installed on the Gyratory. Daniel18
  • Score: 5

1:06am Wed 18 Jun 14

shiney1 says...

another piece of Northwich lost .
we always use this to get into town as safer than trying to cross the road with kids , just smarten it up paint it.
simples ??????
another piece of Northwich lost . we always use this to get into town as safer than trying to cross the road with kids , just smarten it up paint it. simples ?????? shiney1
  • Score: -2

3:12pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Chesnews2 says...

in my opinion the subway should kept and updated! as and when the new lifestyle centre facility is up and running we will desperately need it! The whole point of the subway in the first place is to save life's! Just because some people are advocating a pelican crossing doesn't mean people still don't get run over on them!

A couple of other points while am here - 75% of the population of greater northwich (which by the way as per offical figures 100% represents about the 82,000 mark at moment increasing to near 100,000 when these near 5,500 houses are built). live on one side of the river weaver/one way system (castle/weaverham/ha
rtford/davenham etc.. and 25% on the other lostock/Rudheath/win
cham etc.. so by the moving the swimming pool from moss farm to the centre of town will greatly increase the volume of traffic around the one way system.

Dont let cheshire west and chester council kid you! The one way system will in no way be suffice for the traffic throughput in and out of northwich! I can tell you now! it will mean more traffic lights! With a greater volume of traffic backing up into the town! You might ask me why!

Well if you follow my lead for a minute!

Most citys and towns and there suburbs are are naturally formed over time into almost a circular shape/district London as the biggest example and Chester/macclesfeld one of the smallest examples. The problem with northwich is it can't form into this type of circular district and have through roads (4 lanes) like Chester/Macclesfield and even winsford to a certain degree! because northwich sits in a basin surrounded by two rivers several canals and brooks, verdin park, Marbury park and the old tip, lime beds and nature reserve, the arches, church and cemetery plus 4 railway lines including HS2 and the flood plain of the Dane valley The outlay for a through road would cost literally hundreds of millions and the environmental impact would be massive!

So what's the answer? For me it would be cheaper and less of an environmental impact to have a miniature M60
we already have about 70% of it and clockwise it could run from the lostock triangle down the A556 up to sandiway then down the A49 to stretton then we would need the bypass connection from stretton to the lostock triangle on the A556 to complete the road circular around northwich! This in conjunction with better bus and train services is the only viable solution to the road chaos which is going to ensue northwich in the coming years!


Ps If your talking health and safety by the way is. Somone addressing the fact that both the hay hurst bridge and town bridge were build for horse and cart and as per 1976 had a standard weight limit of 32 tons. Now I could be wrong and since 1976 they might of of been upgraded but with having traffic lights before each bridge now you could effectively have two 44 tonne HGVS in traffic on the bridges.
in my opinion the subway should kept and updated! as and when the new lifestyle centre facility is up and running we will desperately need it! The whole point of the subway in the first place is to save life's! Just because some people are advocating a pelican crossing doesn't mean people still don't get run over on them! A couple of other points while am here - 75% of the population of greater northwich (which by the way as per offical figures 100% represents about the 82,000 mark at moment increasing to near 100,000 when these near 5,500 houses are built). live on one side of the river weaver/one way system (castle/weaverham/ha rtford/davenham etc.. and 25% on the other lostock/Rudheath/win cham etc.. so by the moving the swimming pool from moss farm to the centre of town will greatly increase the volume of traffic around the one way system. Dont let cheshire west and chester council kid you! The one way system will in no way be suffice for the traffic throughput in and out of northwich! I can tell you now! it will mean more traffic lights! With a greater volume of traffic backing up into the town! You might ask me why! Well if you follow my lead for a minute! Most citys and towns and there suburbs are are naturally formed over time into almost a circular shape/district London as the biggest example and Chester/macclesfeld one of the smallest examples. The problem with northwich is it can't form into this type of circular district and have through roads (4 lanes) like Chester/Macclesfield and even winsford to a certain degree! because northwich sits in a basin surrounded by two rivers several canals and brooks, verdin park, Marbury park and the old tip, lime beds and nature reserve, the arches, church and cemetery plus 4 railway lines including HS2 and the flood plain of the Dane valley The outlay for a through road would cost literally hundreds of millions and the environmental impact would be massive! So what's the answer? For me it would be cheaper and less of an environmental impact to have a miniature M60 we already have about 70% of it and clockwise it could run from the lostock triangle down the A556 up to sandiway then down the A49 to stretton then we would need the bypass connection from stretton to the lostock triangle on the A556 to complete the road circular around northwich! This in conjunction with better bus and train services is the only viable solution to the road chaos which is going to ensue northwich in the coming years! Ps If your talking health and safety by the way is. Somone addressing the fact that both the hay hurst bridge and town bridge were build for horse and cart and as per 1976 had a standard weight limit of 32 tons. Now I could be wrong and since 1976 they might of of been upgraded but with having traffic lights before each bridge now you could effectively have two 44 tonne HGVS in traffic on the bridges. Chesnews2
  • Score: -14

10:49pm Wed 18 Jun 14

hectorplain says...

If you do decide to close the subway then I would expect as a minimum that alternative amenities are provided. The nearest one I can think of is in the market place.
If you do decide to close the subway then I would expect as a minimum that alternative amenities are provided. The nearest one I can think of is in the market place. hectorplain
  • Score: 16

7:50am Thu 19 Jun 14

northwich_cyclist says...

Re: those who say the subway is "hardly ever used" - I often use it when walking into town, and it's unusual not to meet someone - often elderly - in it. It's a safe way to cross a dangerous and difficult junction, and is one of the few positives about the gyratory racetrack. The main problem with the subway is not lighting or safety, it's the way it is accessed. That stupid spiral ramp makes you walk four times as far as you should need to, and puts pedestrians off. A set of steps would make a huge difference.
Re: those who say the subway is "hardly ever used" - I often use it when walking into town, and it's unusual not to meet someone - often elderly - in it. It's a safe way to cross a dangerous and difficult junction, and is one of the few positives about the gyratory racetrack. The main problem with the subway is not lighting or safety, it's the way it is accessed. That stupid spiral ramp makes you walk four times as far as you should need to, and puts pedestrians off. A set of steps would make a huge difference. northwich_cyclist
  • Score: -9

2:25pm Thu 19 Jun 14

j@northwich says...

In response to northwich_cyclist, the ramps have to be there to allow access for disabled in mobility scooters, infirm who can't cope with steps, mums with buggies etc. The access to the underpasses would have to be redesigned to include steps, rather than replace the ramps.
In response to northwich_cyclist, the ramps have to be there to allow access for disabled in mobility scooters, infirm who can't cope with steps, mums with buggies etc. The access to the underpasses would have to be redesigned to include steps, rather than replace the ramps. j@northwich
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Fri 20 Jun 14

MatthewB says...

northwich_cyclist wrote:
Re: those who say the subway is "hardly ever used" - I often use it when walking into town, and it's unusual not to meet someone - often elderly - in it. It's a safe way to cross a dangerous and difficult junction, and is one of the few positives about the gyratory racetrack. The main problem with the subway is not lighting or safety, it's the way it is accessed. That stupid spiral ramp makes you walk four times as far as you should need to, and puts pedestrians off. A set of steps would make a huge difference.
I agree with you.

I use it all the time. It is far safer than crossing the road.
No chance of getting run over under there.....apart from the odd skateboard and cycle. :o)
[quote][p][bold]northwich_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Re: those who say the subway is "hardly ever used" - I often use it when walking into town, and it's unusual not to meet someone - often elderly - in it. It's a safe way to cross a dangerous and difficult junction, and is one of the few positives about the gyratory racetrack. The main problem with the subway is not lighting or safety, it's the way it is accessed. That stupid spiral ramp makes you walk four times as far as you should need to, and puts pedestrians off. A set of steps would make a huge difference.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. I use it all the time. It is far safer than crossing the road. No chance of getting run over under there.....apart from the odd skateboard and cycle. :o) MatthewB
  • Score: -6

6:12pm Fri 20 Jun 14

hectorplain says...

I think a proper crossing with lights and whistles would be best.

Most respectable people don't like to use subways for fear of being accosted by the crack-heads and paint-sprayers who seem to be ever-present in these dens of iniquity.

At least a surface-level crossing can be observed by our wonderful police as they whiz by in their centrally heated panda cars in pursuit of innocent tax payers.
I think a proper crossing with lights and whistles would be best. Most respectable people don't like to use subways for fear of being accosted by the crack-heads and paint-sprayers who seem to be ever-present in these dens of iniquity. At least a surface-level crossing can be observed by our wonderful police as they whiz by in their centrally heated panda cars in pursuit of innocent tax payers. hectorplain
  • Score: 14

7:05pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Daniel18 says...

Chesnews2 wrote:
in my opinion the subway should kept and updated! as and when the new lifestyle centre facility is up and running we will desperately need it! The whole point of the subway in the first place is to save life's! Just because some people are advocating a pelican crossing doesn't mean people still don't get run over on them!

A couple of other points while am here - 75% of the population of greater northwich (which by the way as per offical figures 100% represents about the 82,000 mark at moment increasing to near 100,000 when these near 5,500 houses are built). live on one side of the river weaver/one way system (castle/weaverham/ha

rtford/davenham etc.. and 25% on the other lostock/Rudheath/win

cham etc.. so by the moving the swimming pool from moss farm to the centre of town will greatly increase the volume of traffic around the one way system.

Dont let cheshire west and chester council kid you! The one way system will in no way be suffice for the traffic throughput in and out of northwich! I can tell you now! it will mean more traffic lights! With a greater volume of traffic backing up into the town! You might ask me why!

Well if you follow my lead for a minute!

Most citys and towns and there suburbs are are naturally formed over time into almost a circular shape/district London as the biggest example and Chester/macclesfeld one of the smallest examples. The problem with northwich is it can't form into this type of circular district and have through roads (4 lanes) like Chester/Macclesfield and even winsford to a certain degree! because northwich sits in a basin surrounded by two rivers several canals and brooks, verdin park, Marbury park and the old tip, lime beds and nature reserve, the arches, church and cemetery plus 4 railway lines including HS2 and the flood plain of the Dane valley The outlay for a through road would cost literally hundreds of millions and the environmental impact would be massive!

So what's the answer? For me it would be cheaper and less of an environmental impact to have a miniature M60
we already have about 70% of it and clockwise it could run from the lostock triangle down the A556 up to sandiway then down the A49 to stretton then we would need the bypass connection from stretton to the lostock triangle on the A556 to complete the road circular around northwich! This in conjunction with better bus and train services is the only viable solution to the road chaos which is going to ensue northwich in the coming years!


Ps If your talking health and safety by the way is. Somone addressing the fact that both the hay hurst bridge and town bridge were build for horse and cart and as per 1976 had a standard weight limit of 32 tons. Now I could be wrong and since 1976 they might of of been upgraded but with having traffic lights before each bridge now you could effectively have two 44 tonne HGVS in traffic on the bridges.
What total utter rubbish! Since when was Davenham on the same side of the river weaver as Hartford ? And are leftwich and kingsmead not part of 'greater northwich'? At least look at map before posting stupid comments.
[quote][p][bold]Chesnews2[/bold] wrote: in my opinion the subway should kept and updated! as and when the new lifestyle centre facility is up and running we will desperately need it! The whole point of the subway in the first place is to save life's! Just because some people are advocating a pelican crossing doesn't mean people still don't get run over on them! A couple of other points while am here - 75% of the population of greater northwich (which by the way as per offical figures 100% represents about the 82,000 mark at moment increasing to near 100,000 when these near 5,500 houses are built). live on one side of the river weaver/one way system (castle/weaverham/ha rtford/davenham etc.. and 25% on the other lostock/Rudheath/win cham etc.. so by the moving the swimming pool from moss farm to the centre of town will greatly increase the volume of traffic around the one way system. Dont let cheshire west and chester council kid you! The one way system will in no way be suffice for the traffic throughput in and out of northwich! I can tell you now! it will mean more traffic lights! With a greater volume of traffic backing up into the town! You might ask me why! Well if you follow my lead for a minute! Most citys and towns and there suburbs are are naturally formed over time into almost a circular shape/district London as the biggest example and Chester/macclesfeld one of the smallest examples. The problem with northwich is it can't form into this type of circular district and have through roads (4 lanes) like Chester/Macclesfield and even winsford to a certain degree! because northwich sits in a basin surrounded by two rivers several canals and brooks, verdin park, Marbury park and the old tip, lime beds and nature reserve, the arches, church and cemetery plus 4 railway lines including HS2 and the flood plain of the Dane valley The outlay for a through road would cost literally hundreds of millions and the environmental impact would be massive! So what's the answer? For me it would be cheaper and less of an environmental impact to have a miniature M60 we already have about 70% of it and clockwise it could run from the lostock triangle down the A556 up to sandiway then down the A49 to stretton then we would need the bypass connection from stretton to the lostock triangle on the A556 to complete the road circular around northwich! This in conjunction with better bus and train services is the only viable solution to the road chaos which is going to ensue northwich in the coming years! Ps If your talking health and safety by the way is. Somone addressing the fact that both the hay hurst bridge and town bridge were build for horse and cart and as per 1976 had a standard weight limit of 32 tons. Now I could be wrong and since 1976 they might of of been upgraded but with having traffic lights before each bridge now you could effectively have two 44 tonne HGVS in traffic on the bridges.[/p][/quote]What total utter rubbish! Since when was Davenham on the same side of the river weaver as Hartford ? And are leftwich and kingsmead not part of 'greater northwich'? At least look at map before posting stupid comments. Daniel18
  • Score: 8

10:03pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Chesnews says...

Hi Daniel just to point a few things out to you! And I dont need a map many thanks though! The article states "live on the other side of the RIVER WEAVER/ONE WAY SYSTEM so coming down London road from Davenham you have to go into the one way system so you are on the same side as Hartford , Castle, Weaverham residents etc.. as opposed to being on the other side of River Weaver/one way system ie: the Rudheath, Lostock wincham residential side etc...

Your other point about Leftwich and Kingsmead yes they are in the so called
Greater Northwich district are as many other areas which I didn't mention! That's why after naming a few villages I put. ETC....

Have a good day!
Hi Daniel just to point a few things out to you! And I dont need a map many thanks though! The article states "live on the other side of the RIVER WEAVER/ONE WAY SYSTEM so coming down London road from Davenham you have to go into the one way system so you are on the same side as Hartford , Castle, Weaverham residents etc.. as opposed to being on the other side of River Weaver/one way system ie: the Rudheath, Lostock wincham residential side etc... Your other point about Leftwich and Kingsmead yes they are in the so called Greater Northwich district are as many other areas which I didn't mention! That's why after naming a few villages I put. ETC.... Have a good day! Chesnews
  • Score: -8

7:22pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Daniel18 says...

Chesnews - your comments make no sense whatsoever.

The new Swimming baths at memorial court is centrally located within the middle of Northwich.

The new baths has better transport links - currently if you live outside Castle, Winnington, Weaverham or Hartford the only way to get to the baths if you cant drive is to catch two buses before walking 1/2 mile through Firdale Park.

Whereas the new centre is simply one bus ride away from every area of the town.
Chesnews - your comments make no sense whatsoever. The new Swimming baths at memorial court is centrally located within the middle of Northwich. The new baths has better transport links - currently if you live outside Castle, Winnington, Weaverham or Hartford the only way to get to the baths if you cant drive is to catch two buses before walking 1/2 mile through Firdale Park. Whereas the new centre is simply one bus ride away from every area of the town. Daniel18
  • Score: 7

7:50pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Bee1234 says...

I have used the subway for years. It is certainly safer than using the road. I have NEVER felt unsafe in it. Just update it and put in CCTV if it makes folk feel more secure.
I have used the subway for years. It is certainly safer than using the road. I have NEVER felt unsafe in it. Just update it and put in CCTV if it makes folk feel more secure. Bee1234
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Sun 22 Jun 14

keith moss says...

A person who does not use the subway campaigning for its closure seems a bit like a person who does not knit campaigning for the closure of the wool shop.Let us implement additional measures to enable the young and old to cross the street safely not remove the few we have.or is this simply an excuse to remove the subway thus enabling the future development of the now empty council offices opposite to access the traffic flow at its most effective point (adjacent to the dane opposite the new baths building) where the "irritatingly long ramp" and the smell of urine is at its strongest. This decision is being taken with a financial motive and with the sole intention of fasciiitating improved access to what is to become the "next phase" of the redevelopment of the town. I am sure you want a Netto and some new pensioners flats instead of a clean well maintained,well lit road crossing system with a CCTV system to ensure that its users feel safe whilst using it.If not on the "subway ramp" then where else is it possible to site a road that allows vehicles to easily rejoin the traffic flow from that site? since the front entrance now feeds directly onto the "lane changing piece" of our much talked about gyratory system.x
A person who does not use the subway campaigning for its closure seems a bit like a person who does not knit campaigning for the closure of the wool shop.Let us implement additional measures to enable the young and old to cross the street safely not remove the few we have.or is this simply an excuse to remove the subway thus enabling the future development of the now empty council offices opposite to access the traffic flow at its most effective point (adjacent to the dane opposite the new baths building) where the "irritatingly long ramp" and the smell of urine is at its strongest. This decision is being taken with a financial motive and with the sole intention of fasciiitating improved access to what is to become the "next phase" of the redevelopment of the town. I am sure you want a Netto and some new pensioners flats instead of a clean well maintained,well lit road crossing system with a CCTV system to ensure that its users feel safe whilst using it.If not on the "subway ramp" then where else is it possible to site a road that allows vehicles to easily rejoin the traffic flow from that site? since the front entrance now feeds directly onto the "lane changing piece" of our much talked about gyratory system.x keith moss
  • Score: -4

4:07pm Sun 22 Jun 14

hectorplain says...

keith moss wrote:
A person who does not use the subway campaigning for its closure seems a bit like a person who does not knit campaigning for the closure of the wool shop.Let us implement additional measures to enable the young and old to cross the street safely not remove the few we have.or is this simply an excuse to remove the subway thus enabling the future development of the now empty council offices opposite to access the traffic flow at its most effective point (adjacent to the dane opposite the new baths building) where the "irritatingly long ramp" and the smell of urine is at its strongest. This decision is being taken with a financial motive and with the sole intention of fasciiitating improved access to what is to become the "next phase" of the redevelopment of the town. I am sure you want a Netto and some new pensioners flats instead of a clean well maintained,well lit road crossing system with a CCTV system to ensure that its users feel safe whilst using it.If not on the "subway ramp" then where else is it possible to site a road that allows vehicles to easily rejoin the traffic flow from that site? since the front entrance now feeds directly onto the "lane changing piece" of our much talked about gyratory system.x
Keith

I like you analogy of the ball of wool and the non-knitter, very clever if a little quaint.

I don't think you should campaign for a new Netto, as there are already enough low cost shops in the town. Don't get me wrong these places are a god send to those on hand outs who spend all our money on fags and booze then waste what's left on junk food.

I do however agree that we need more pensioners low-rise accommodation, after all, we are an aging population.
We must not repeat the mistakes of the sixties (the decade I mean) where everyone and his dog was supposed to go and live in a multi storey shoe box. Lifts were provided but all too often they would be out of order and would be used for the convenience of the aforementioned boozers who were too lazy to walk to the underpass.

Thank you for your considered thoughts on our great little town, long may she prosper!
[quote][p][bold]keith moss[/bold] wrote: A person who does not use the subway campaigning for its closure seems a bit like a person who does not knit campaigning for the closure of the wool shop.Let us implement additional measures to enable the young and old to cross the street safely not remove the few we have.or is this simply an excuse to remove the subway thus enabling the future development of the now empty council offices opposite to access the traffic flow at its most effective point (adjacent to the dane opposite the new baths building) where the "irritatingly long ramp" and the smell of urine is at its strongest. This decision is being taken with a financial motive and with the sole intention of fasciiitating improved access to what is to become the "next phase" of the redevelopment of the town. I am sure you want a Netto and some new pensioners flats instead of a clean well maintained,well lit road crossing system with a CCTV system to ensure that its users feel safe whilst using it.If not on the "subway ramp" then where else is it possible to site a road that allows vehicles to easily rejoin the traffic flow from that site? since the front entrance now feeds directly onto the "lane changing piece" of our much talked about gyratory system.x[/p][/quote]Keith I like you analogy of the ball of wool and the non-knitter, very clever if a little quaint. I don't think you should campaign for a new Netto, as there are already enough low cost shops in the town. Don't get me wrong these places are a god send to those on hand outs who spend all our money on fags and booze then waste what's left on junk food. I do however agree that we need more pensioners low-rise accommodation, after all, we are an aging population. We must not repeat the mistakes of the sixties (the decade I mean) where everyone and his dog was supposed to go and live in a multi storey shoe box. Lifts were provided but all too often they would be out of order and would be used for the convenience of the aforementioned boozers who were too lazy to walk to the underpass. Thank you for your considered thoughts on our great little town, long may she prosper! hectorplain
  • Score: 4

11:07pm Sun 22 Jun 14

keith moss says...

hectorplain wrote:
I think a proper crossing with lights and whistles would be best.

Most respectable people don't like to use subways for fear of being accosted by the crack-heads and paint-sprayers who seem to be ever-present in these dens of iniquity.

At least a surface-level crossing can be observed by our wonderful police as they whiz by in their centrally heated panda cars in pursuit of innocent tax payers.
Ever present paint sprayers and crack heads and a few cowardly trolls.Sadly all these are in your imagination.I use the subway at least once a day and i have never seen a single incident of this sort of behaviour in the subway.I do see occasional sad individuals who suffer with drink and drug issues passing through but in the main i rarely see anyone apart from children and old people down there and in the main they are not budding Banksies or pedalling crystal meth.More often they are walking to the bank or pedalling bicycles. Your fear is sadly affecting your ability to differentiate between youth and yobbo...so how did the chicken cross the road ?
[quote][p][bold]hectorplain[/bold] wrote: I think a proper crossing with lights and whistles would be best. Most respectable people don't like to use subways for fear of being accosted by the crack-heads and paint-sprayers who seem to be ever-present in these dens of iniquity. At least a surface-level crossing can be observed by our wonderful police as they whiz by in their centrally heated panda cars in pursuit of innocent tax payers.[/p][/quote]Ever present paint sprayers and crack heads and a few cowardly trolls.Sadly all these are in your imagination.I use the subway at least once a day and i have never seen a single incident of this sort of behaviour in the subway.I do see occasional sad individuals who suffer with drink and drug issues passing through but in the main i rarely see anyone apart from children and old people down there and in the main they are not budding Banksies or pedalling crystal meth.More often they are walking to the bank or pedalling bicycles. Your fear is sadly affecting your ability to differentiate between youth and yobbo...so how did the chicken cross the road ? keith moss
  • Score: -7

7:57pm Mon 23 Jun 14

hectorplain says...

keith moss wrote:
hectorplain wrote:
I think a proper crossing with lights and whistles would be best.

Most respectable people don't like to use subways for fear of being accosted by the crack-heads and paint-sprayers who seem to be ever-present in these dens of iniquity.

At least a surface-level crossing can be observed by our wonderful police as they whiz by in their centrally heated panda cars in pursuit of innocent tax payers.
Ever present paint sprayers and crack heads and a few cowardly trolls.Sadly all these are in your imagination.I use the subway at least once a day and i have never seen a single incident of this sort of behaviour in the subway.I do see occasional sad individuals who suffer with drink and drug issues passing through but in the main i rarely see anyone apart from children and old people down there and in the main they are not budding Banksies or pedalling crystal meth.More often they are walking to the bank or pedalling bicycles. Your fear is sadly affecting your ability to differentiate between youth and yobbo...so how did the chicken cross the road ?
Keith

I really do think you should try to see the bigger picture regarding the atrocious underpass that blights one of the most important routes through our lovely town.

Just because you and a few irresponsible cyclists use it occasionally hardly justifies its continued presence.
My suggestion of a modern surface crossing is a much better proposition with the added advantage that it would act as a traffic calming measure.
I do wish that people would be less self-centred and try to think of the wishes of others instead of themselves. We really should try to remove ourselves from old dyed in the wool 60's thinking and try to embrace change.

Be assured, change is inevitable, its coming, we really need to face it head on and embrace it, after all its our future we are shaping.
[quote][p][bold]keith moss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hectorplain[/bold] wrote: I think a proper crossing with lights and whistles would be best. Most respectable people don't like to use subways for fear of being accosted by the crack-heads and paint-sprayers who seem to be ever-present in these dens of iniquity. At least a surface-level crossing can be observed by our wonderful police as they whiz by in their centrally heated panda cars in pursuit of innocent tax payers.[/p][/quote]Ever present paint sprayers and crack heads and a few cowardly trolls.Sadly all these are in your imagination.I use the subway at least once a day and i have never seen a single incident of this sort of behaviour in the subway.I do see occasional sad individuals who suffer with drink and drug issues passing through but in the main i rarely see anyone apart from children and old people down there and in the main they are not budding Banksies or pedalling crystal meth.More often they are walking to the bank or pedalling bicycles. Your fear is sadly affecting your ability to differentiate between youth and yobbo...so how did the chicken cross the road ?[/p][/quote]Keith I really do think you should try to see the bigger picture regarding the atrocious underpass that blights one of the most important routes through our lovely town. Just because you and a few irresponsible cyclists use it occasionally hardly justifies its continued presence. My suggestion of a modern surface crossing is a much better proposition with the added advantage that it would act as a traffic calming measure. I do wish that people would be less self-centred and try to think of the wishes of others instead of themselves. We really should try to remove ourselves from old dyed in the wool 60's thinking and try to embrace change. Be assured, change is inevitable, its coming, we really need to face it head on and embrace it, after all its our future we are shaping. hectorplain
  • Score: 6

9:07pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Chesnews says...

Daniel I'll put it in layman terms! at the moment the Northwich swimming pool is at Moss farm and that side of town where the pool is located! accounts for about 75% of the Greater Northwich population/road traffic and who don't have to drive through the full one way system to get to the pool where as 25% being on the other side of the town do have to drive through the full one way system to get to the Moss Farm Swimming pool - so hence when the Pool is switched from Moss farm to the Memorial court the volume/throughtput of road traffic will increase substantially through the one way system . Why? because 75% of road traffic is greater than 25% of road traffic.
Daniel I'll put it in layman terms! at the moment the Northwich swimming pool is at Moss farm and that side of town where the pool is located! accounts for about 75% of the Greater Northwich population/road traffic and who don't have to drive through the full one way system to get to the pool where as 25% being on the other side of the town do have to drive through the full one way system to get to the Moss Farm Swimming pool - so hence when the Pool is switched from Moss farm to the Memorial court the volume/throughtput of road traffic will increase substantially through the one way system . Why? because 75% of road traffic is greater than 25% of road traffic. Chesnews
  • Score: -5

9:56pm Mon 23 Jun 14

hectorplain says...

Chesnews wrote:
Daniel I'll put it in layman terms! at the moment the Northwich swimming pool is at Moss farm and that side of town where the pool is located! accounts for about 75% of the Greater Northwich population/road traffic and who don't have to drive through the full one way system to get to the pool where as 25% being on the other side of the town do have to drive through the full one way system to get to the Moss Farm Swimming pool - so hence when the Pool is switched from Moss farm to the Memorial court the volume/throughtput of road traffic will increase substantially through the one way system . Why? because 75% of road traffic is greater than 25% of road traffic.
Hi Chesnews

I have analysed your post and sadly I have to conclude that the logic is flawed.
Unless we put actual numbers to our model we cannot support the sweeping statement made as a conclusion.

The number of people going for a dip is, I would imagine, quite a bit smaller than those just driving around aimlessly, shopping, kerb-crawling or whatever other reasons the motorists in the town think they have for destroying the planet with their unnecessary travelling.

What we really need is higher fuel prices to stop all this squandering of our dwindling resources. Perhaps £10 per gallon would tempt lazy drivers out of their cars? Who knows, they may even lose a bit of weight and reduce their chances of needing an electric scooter, paid for by my taxes.
[quote][p][bold]Chesnews[/bold] wrote: Daniel I'll put it in layman terms! at the moment the Northwich swimming pool is at Moss farm and that side of town where the pool is located! accounts for about 75% of the Greater Northwich population/road traffic and who don't have to drive through the full one way system to get to the pool where as 25% being on the other side of the town do have to drive through the full one way system to get to the Moss Farm Swimming pool - so hence when the Pool is switched from Moss farm to the Memorial court the volume/throughtput of road traffic will increase substantially through the one way system . Why? because 75% of road traffic is greater than 25% of road traffic.[/p][/quote]Hi Chesnews I have analysed your post and sadly I have to conclude that the logic is flawed. Unless we put actual numbers to our model we cannot support the sweeping statement made as a conclusion. The number of people going for a dip is, I would imagine, quite a bit smaller than those just driving around aimlessly, shopping, kerb-crawling or whatever other reasons the motorists in the town think they have for destroying the planet with their unnecessary travelling. What we really need is higher fuel prices to stop all this squandering of our dwindling resources. Perhaps £10 per gallon would tempt lazy drivers out of their cars? Who knows, they may even lose a bit of weight and reduce their chances of needing an electric scooter, paid for by my taxes. hectorplain
  • Score: 7

2:11pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Chesnews says...

Hi hectorplain respect your comments and agree with you! figures are important- very important in fact! But it's not just about the people putting their toe in the pool it's about the the near 5,500 houses approved for building in greater northwich, it's about the redevelopment of the town centre its about the extra warehouses, schools, medical care, etc.. etc.. which are required. I say if we could do without building new roads! I'd say stop now!
But as anyone knows its like a domino effect! Once you have more houses this puts more stress on everything.

Ps I've lived in northwich for over 50 years and seen it change many times! Change is good as long as the character of the town is kept. My only reservation is the northwich road infrastructure will not take it. There will be more traffic lights like the 9 sets proposed at the Leicester street roundabout
Which will ultimately slow everything down.

Please see post from 18/06/2014 if you haven't seen it!
Hi hectorplain respect your comments and agree with you! figures are important- very important in fact! But it's not just about the people putting their toe in the pool it's about the the near 5,500 houses approved for building in greater northwich, it's about the redevelopment of the town centre its about the extra warehouses, schools, medical care, etc.. etc.. which are required. I say if we could do without building new roads! I'd say stop now! But as anyone knows its like a domino effect! Once you have more houses this puts more stress on everything. Ps I've lived in northwich for over 50 years and seen it change many times! Change is good as long as the character of the town is kept. My only reservation is the northwich road infrastructure will not take it. There will be more traffic lights like the 9 sets proposed at the Leicester street roundabout Which will ultimately slow everything down. Please see post from 18/06/2014 if you haven't seen it! Chesnews
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Wed 25 Jun 14

mostynthecat says...

hectorplain, I am a middle aged (almost) personage who uses the subways. I have never seen any druggie/drunk (perhaps they are too busy looking for work at the hours I use them) in the subways when I use them, just old people on average plus the odd parent and sproglet.
And I would never wish to use a pedestrian crossing at night across that road - as drivers (particularly the drunk ones - who do have jobs, as an unemployed personage can not afford the running costs plus the beer plus the costs of finding work) may not spot old Mrs Miggins crossing the road, more slowly than the average resident/visitor, or me (who walks faster than the average resident).
Hopefully all the old people know where to aim their sticks if they do get attacked (hard and fast between the legs) in the subway - whereas a walking stick is no defence against a speeding idiot on the road
hectorplain, I am a middle aged (almost) personage who uses the subways. I have never seen any druggie/drunk (perhaps they are too busy looking for work at the hours I use them) in the subways when I use them, just old people on average plus the odd parent and sproglet. And I would never wish to use a pedestrian crossing at night across that road - as drivers (particularly the drunk ones - who do have jobs, as an unemployed personage can not afford the running costs plus the beer plus the costs of finding work) may not spot old Mrs Miggins crossing the road, more slowly than the average resident/visitor, or me (who walks faster than the average resident). Hopefully all the old people know where to aim their sticks if they do get attacked (hard and fast between the legs) in the subway - whereas a walking stick is no defence against a speeding idiot on the road mostynthecat
  • Score: 0

2:46pm Sat 12 Jul 14

hectorplain says...

Don't come running to me if you get attacked in that dismal, damp, ill-lit underpass.

You know the risks.

It has to be your decision and you will have to live with the consequences.

You would be much safer up above amongst the traffic flow.
Don't come running to me if you get attacked in that dismal, damp, ill-lit underpass. You know the risks. It has to be your decision and you will have to live with the consequences. You would be much safer up above amongst the traffic flow. hectorplain
  • Score: 0

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