Double yellows leave shop 'fighting for survival'

Double yellows leave shop 'fighting for survival'

Double yellows leave shop 'fighting for survival'

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A WELL known Winsford fish ‘n’ chip is ‘fighting for survival’ after the local authority announced plans to implement double yellow lines on the road outside.

Cheshire West and Chester Council is in a formal consultation over plans to introduce double yellow lines on a section of the A54 High Street.

However, the proposals mean customers of Foodcraft would no longer be able to park outside the shop, something owner John Finney believes will be the death of his business.

“We are fighting for our survival,” he said. “We don’t have the resources to relocate so we will have to close. This is a business that has taken a lifetime to build.

“We live in a town that’s dying, as far as the town centre is concerned, week on week there are more empty shops.

“But they will close a business down that has up to 1,200 customers a week, who come to spend money in our town and pay the wages of our workers from the town – we employ 12 people, sometimes 17, many on a full time basis.”

Mr Finney’s father bought Foodcraft more than 40 years ago, but he fears the family-run business is on the brink of closure.

“For the last 40 years people have stopped outside our shop,” he said. “This will absolutely bring our business down.”

These views were echoed by Mike Bennett, whose hairdressers the Cutting Edge will also be affected.

He added: “It’s ridiculous; this will impact massively on my business as customers will have to walk from the town centre.

“At this moment in time business is not brilliant and it’s hard enough without having to battle the council, who are supposed to be on our side.”

Mike Kennedy, Winsford mayor, said the council were making decisions with ‘no thought or regard’ for the people in the town.

“How do I, as mayor, make a promise at my inauguration to engage with and support local business when silly decisions are made to hinder and harm local business,” he said.

“In Foodcraft, yes we are talking about a fish, pie and chip shop, but it is so much more to Winsford – it is an institution.

“It was nice to hear about Localism, but annoying in the extreme to find out it means nothing.

“Do Cheshire West and Chester Council believe that Winsford should be destroyed? I doubt it, so let us have some common sense.”

Councillor Lynn Riley, executive member for localities, said: “Parked vehicles along this stretch of the A54 create a hazard because they restrict the use of one lane, forcing motorists to switch lanes.

“The proposal to remove on-street parking follows a detailed assessment of all options.”

Foodcraft has started an online petition against the proposals, it can be found at ipetitions.com/petition/savefoodcraft

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12:07pm Mon 3 Feb 14

nicksey says...

Yet again CWAC making ridiculous decisions at the expense of local businesses. Cllr Riley talks nonsense, why would double yellow lines suddenly be needed after 40 years, she needs to go before she destroys any more cheshire towns
Yet again CWAC making ridiculous decisions at the expense of local businesses. Cllr Riley talks nonsense, why would double yellow lines suddenly be needed after 40 years, she needs to go before she destroys any more cheshire towns nicksey
  • Score: 3

1:15pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Carlos99 says...

I agree that there should be double yellows here! Its a dual carriageway for goodness sake! Forcing people out of the left hand lane is stupid and dangerous on a 40mph road. But, ....the footpath here is very wide! Surely the best option is to narrow that, therefore allowing for actual parking along the road AND two clear unblocked lanes. That way the shops still get there parking and no one has to swap lanes.
I agree that there should be double yellows here! Its a dual carriageway for goodness sake! Forcing people out of the left hand lane is stupid and dangerous on a 40mph road. But, ....the footpath here is very wide! Surely the best option is to narrow that, therefore allowing for actual parking along the road AND two clear unblocked lanes. That way the shops still get there parking and no one has to swap lanes. Carlos99
  • Score: 5

2:32pm Mon 3 Feb 14

M Kennedy says...

There must be a alternative solution sought, local businesses are suffering large and small, we cannot allow them to close and people put out of work.
There must be a alternative solution sought, local businesses are suffering large and small, we cannot allow them to close and people put out of work. M Kennedy
  • Score: 11

4:41pm Mon 3 Feb 14

GOFFY says...

Cllr Lynn Riley Lives in either Helsby or Frodsham and I suspect rarely uses this part of the A54 through Winsford, and she has the cheek to say “The proposal to remove on-street parking follows a detailed assessment of all options.” I ask what are the option for the two shop owners if the double yellow lines are put outside their shops, up to 17 job losses and the closure of a local institution. We shall have the opportunity soon to show Cllr Riley and the rest of her tory cronies just what we think of them at the elections.
Going now to sign the E-petition.

Goffy
Cllr Lynn Riley Lives in either Helsby or Frodsham and I suspect rarely uses this part of the A54 through Winsford, and she has the cheek to say “The proposal to remove on-street parking follows a detailed assessment of all options.” I ask what are the option for the two shop owners if the double yellow lines are put outside their shops, up to 17 job losses and the closure of a local institution. We shall have the opportunity soon to show Cllr Riley and the rest of her tory cronies just what we think of them at the elections. Going now to sign the E-petition. Goffy GOFFY
  • Score: 8

5:03pm Mon 3 Feb 14

nicksey says...

Goffy -Sadly I'm not sure if that is going to happen.

Cllr Riley is the one who seems to have it in for Northwich and Winsford but she will probably be voted right back in by her tory voters in her Frodsham ward. She does nothing to upset them there so will probably be quite safe and will continue with her mission to trash Northwich and Winsford.

Our own local councillors are totally ineffective and do nothing to oppose Cllr Riley, We need to start by getting some local councillors who are capable of and prepared to oppose Cllr Riley.

However, The rich tory wards will continue to vote the likes of Cllr Riley in and they will continue with their intentions as they are the ones who get put into these positions of power.
Goffy -Sadly I'm not sure if that is going to happen. Cllr Riley is the one who seems to have it in for Northwich and Winsford but she will probably be voted right back in by her tory voters in her Frodsham ward. She does nothing to upset them there so will probably be quite safe and will continue with her mission to trash Northwich and Winsford. Our own local councillors are totally ineffective and do nothing to oppose Cllr Riley, We need to start by getting some local councillors who are capable of and prepared to oppose Cllr Riley. However, The rich tory wards will continue to vote the likes of Cllr Riley in and they will continue with their intentions as they are the ones who get put into these positions of power. nicksey
  • Score: 9

8:10pm Mon 3 Feb 14

L Byrne says...

I had a conversation with the co-owner of a shop in Northwich town centre today which is closing town in a few days time. He blamed the high rates and the impact of the CWAC Council imposed gyratory traffic system.

His shop happens to be a few yards from a greengrocer, a fish merchant and a butchers, all of which will be wiped out , with others, when the ASDA store arrives in Baron's Quay. What should be absolutely galling for the small shopkeepers in Northwich is that CWAC Council has taken the role of developer for Baron's Quay because no commercial company would take the risk and the council taxes that they are paying is being spent to encourage unfair competition into the town which will bankrupt many of them. An absolute scandal.

The link with the story about Foodcraft is that the both prove that CWAC Council is indifferent when it comes to the threat posed to small local businesses by its half baked grand schemes.

To be fair to Cllr Riley, she is merely the messenger . The real power lies with the small clique of councillors and officials at the very top who run the council as if it were their own fiefdom.

Nicksey is correct, we need some independent local councillors who will put the interests of Northwich and Winsford first and will be a counterweight to the Tory party hacks who are likely to continue to be elected in the more salubrious areas of Cheshire West. Middlewich has set a precedent with its three Middlewich First councillors who are members of Cheshire East Council.

Somethings have got to change.
I had a conversation with the co-owner of a shop in Northwich town centre today which is closing town in a few days time. He blamed the high rates and the impact of the CWAC Council imposed gyratory traffic system. His shop happens to be a few yards from a greengrocer, a fish merchant and a butchers, all of which will be wiped out , with others, when the ASDA store arrives in Baron's Quay. What should be absolutely galling for the small shopkeepers in Northwich is that CWAC Council has taken the role of developer for Baron's Quay because no commercial company would take the risk and the council taxes that they are paying is being spent to encourage unfair competition into the town which will bankrupt many of them. An absolute scandal. The link with the story about Foodcraft is that the both prove that CWAC Council is indifferent when it comes to the threat posed to small local businesses by its half baked grand schemes. To be fair to Cllr Riley, she is merely the messenger . The real power lies with the small clique of councillors and officials at the very top who run the council as if it were their own fiefdom. Nicksey is correct, we need some independent local councillors who will put the interests of Northwich and Winsford first and will be a counterweight to the Tory party hacks who are likely to continue to be elected in the more salubrious areas of Cheshire West. Middlewich has set a precedent with its three Middlewich First councillors who are members of Cheshire East Council. Somethings have got to change. L Byrne
  • Score: 7

9:07pm Mon 3 Feb 14

GOFFY says...

L Byrne you are absolutey correct, but as for councillor Riley if you put your head above the parepet be prepared to be shot at.
L Byrne you are absolutey correct, but as for councillor Riley if you put your head above the parepet be prepared to be shot at. GOFFY
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Mon 3 Feb 14

chrisfen67 says...

I am told that some members of Winsford Town Council support these yellow lines which is why it has moved to the formal consultation. If this is true, Mike Kennedy has 'forgotten' to mention this. Does he talk to his colleagues?
I am told that some members of Winsford Town Council support these yellow lines which is why it has moved to the formal consultation. If this is true, Mike Kennedy has 'forgotten' to mention this. Does he talk to his colleagues? chrisfen67
  • Score: 3

11:46pm Mon 3 Feb 14

BThompson says...

I'm in a quandry on this one, as a customer of the chip shop, a resident of Winsford but also as a regular user of the A54 in question. We can't have yet another local business pushed out of business if we can help if, of course we can't but the parking on that stretch causes a lot of problems at peak times so I can also understand why this is being discussed. I would imagine there will be lots of school runs/drop offs that would be affected by this too, although they don't seem to care where they park as long as their little darlings don't have to walk more than two feet to school.

Surely the Council should be investigating ways of helping the parking situation near the school and chippy, could the bus stop not be extended into a parking bay perhaps? Can the Council not show some willing and offer to help relocate the chippy even? As for this Riley woman, someone needs to have a word with her if what I'm hearing has any basis in truth.. she can't ignore half her consituency, her JOB is to look after our best wishes after all, no matter if that suits her or not?!
I'm in a quandry on this one, as a customer of the chip shop, a resident of Winsford but also as a regular user of the A54 in question. We can't have yet another local business pushed out of business if we can help if, of course we can't but the parking on that stretch causes a lot of problems at peak times so I can also understand why this is being discussed. I would imagine there will be lots of school runs/drop offs that would be affected by this too, although they don't seem to care where they park as long as their little darlings don't have to walk more than two feet to school. Surely the Council should be investigating ways of helping the parking situation near the school and chippy, could the bus stop not be extended into a parking bay perhaps? Can the Council not show some willing and offer to help relocate the chippy even? As for this Riley woman, someone needs to have a word with her if what I'm hearing has any basis in truth.. she can't ignore half her consituency, her JOB is to look after our best wishes after all, no matter if that suits her or not?! BThompson
  • Score: 5

9:40am Tue 4 Feb 14

Rabbithole says...

Typical CWAC, bulldozing in and destroying everything that Winsford has left!

IF CWAC were really concerned about our town and businesses, they wouldn’t be putting in yellow lines when there is an obvious solution that benefits both the chippy and the road. A no stopping order during the busy times. ….. But hell to that, as long as it looks good on paper right, who gives a dam on what happens to our shops and the lives ruined in the process.

Yellow lines will not stop people from dropping their little treasures of at school here. It will have to be watched 24/7 to stop lazy parents from stopping. Besides, people can still briefly pull up on yellow lines to drop off and pick up passengers (its a case of pull up, throw little Timmy out the car, drive off).

Just to add I wonder if people of Winsford have noticed how our town seems to have been systematically “shut down”? First the town centre, now our High Streets - double yellow lines are going in everywhere, traffic wardens popping up all over….. We will be a suburb of Northwich soon.
Typical CWAC, bulldozing in and destroying everything that Winsford has left! IF CWAC were really concerned about our town and businesses, they wouldn’t be putting in yellow lines when there is an obvious solution that benefits both the chippy and the road. A no stopping order during the busy times. ….. But hell to that, as long as it looks good on paper right, who gives a dam on what happens to our shops and the lives ruined in the process. Yellow lines will not stop people from dropping their little treasures of at school here. It will have to be watched 24/7 to stop lazy parents from stopping. Besides, people can still briefly pull up on yellow lines to drop off and pick up passengers (its a case of pull up, throw little Timmy out the car, drive off). Just to add I wonder if people of Winsford have noticed how our town seems to have been systematically “shut down”? First the town centre, now our High Streets - double yellow lines are going in everywhere, traffic wardens popping up all over….. We will be a suburb of Northwich soon. Rabbithole
  • Score: 7

11:20am Tue 4 Feb 14

Jack Hay says...

L Byrne wrote:
I had a conversation with the co-owner of a shop in Northwich town centre today which is closing town in a few days time. He blamed the high rates and the impact of the CWAC Council imposed gyratory traffic system.

His shop happens to be a few yards from a greengrocer, a fish merchant and a butchers, all of which will be wiped out , with others, when the ASDA store arrives in Baron's Quay. What should be absolutely galling for the small shopkeepers in Northwich is that CWAC Council has taken the role of developer for Baron's Quay because no commercial company would take the risk and the council taxes that they are paying is being spent to encourage unfair competition into the town which will bankrupt many of them. An absolute scandal.

The link with the story about Foodcraft is that the both prove that CWAC Council is indifferent when it comes to the threat posed to small local businesses by its half baked grand schemes.

To be fair to Cllr Riley, she is merely the messenger . The real power lies with the small clique of councillors and officials at the very top who run the council as if it were their own fiefdom.

Nicksey is correct, we need some independent local councillors who will put the interests of Northwich and Winsford first and will be a counterweight to the Tory party hacks who are likely to continue to be elected in the more salubrious areas of Cheshire West. Middlewich has set a precedent with its three Middlewich First councillors who are members of Cheshire East Council.

Somethings have got to change.
L Byrne - a few weeks ago you complained that Barons Quay had been given over to an outside developer so we locals had lost control. Now you have been corrected and you realise CWAC are the developer, so you complain that they are doing it because no outside developer was willing to do it. So which do you prefer, CWAC as developer - where we get influence via councillors and elections - or an outside developer? I am glad that CWAC is the developer. I also note that the small shops you mentioned survived the arrival of Sainsbury's and M&S right in the town centre. One of the best greengrocers is right opposite M&S and survives! The butchers and fishmongers in the town are excellent and it's not as if they have not had competition from supermarkets already. I predict they will continue to do well, Barons Quay will bring more people into the town and so there will be enough trade to go round.
[quote][p][bold]L Byrne[/bold] wrote: I had a conversation with the co-owner of a shop in Northwich town centre today which is closing town in a few days time. He blamed the high rates and the impact of the CWAC Council imposed gyratory traffic system. His shop happens to be a few yards from a greengrocer, a fish merchant and a butchers, all of which will be wiped out , with others, when the ASDA store arrives in Baron's Quay. What should be absolutely galling for the small shopkeepers in Northwich is that CWAC Council has taken the role of developer for Baron's Quay because no commercial company would take the risk and the council taxes that they are paying is being spent to encourage unfair competition into the town which will bankrupt many of them. An absolute scandal. The link with the story about Foodcraft is that the both prove that CWAC Council is indifferent when it comes to the threat posed to small local businesses by its half baked grand schemes. To be fair to Cllr Riley, she is merely the messenger . The real power lies with the small clique of councillors and officials at the very top who run the council as if it were their own fiefdom. Nicksey is correct, we need some independent local councillors who will put the interests of Northwich and Winsford first and will be a counterweight to the Tory party hacks who are likely to continue to be elected in the more salubrious areas of Cheshire West. Middlewich has set a precedent with its three Middlewich First councillors who are members of Cheshire East Council. Somethings have got to change.[/p][/quote]L Byrne - a few weeks ago you complained that Barons Quay had been given over to an outside developer so we locals had lost control. Now you have been corrected and you realise CWAC are the developer, so you complain that they are doing it because no outside developer was willing to do it. So which do you prefer, CWAC as developer - where we get influence via councillors and elections - or an outside developer? I am glad that CWAC is the developer. I also note that the small shops you mentioned survived the arrival of Sainsbury's and M&S right in the town centre. One of the best greengrocers is right opposite M&S and survives! The butchers and fishmongers in the town are excellent and it's not as if they have not had competition from supermarkets already. I predict they will continue to do well, Barons Quay will bring more people into the town and so there will be enough trade to go round. Jack Hay
  • Score: -1

11:28am Tue 4 Feb 14

Winsfordresident says...

Winsford is being destroyed by yet another tory councillor who doesn't live in Winsford and not elected by Winsfordians.

These councillors are responsible for the disaster projects, the A54 junction where no visable difference is seen for a dying town , building a new academy and creating no road network around it thereby destroying local roads and creating gridlock twice a day, and now trying to introduce double yellow lines where no accidents have occurred according to a freedom of information request.

These are the same councillors that splash cash of their own little rural wards and destroy and neglect others. You only have to look at frodsham, whitegate and tatton then compare it to Winsford & Northwich to see where the tories like to splash the cash for re=election.

Comparing whitegate to winsford:-
Whitegate gets a full road surface and bright flashing electronic road signs.
Roads around the new academy are worn, potholed and extremely congested to the point of mopeds riding on footpaths to escape traffic gridlock. Verges are a mudbath. In all a danger to residents and children attending the school.

You can guess where the tory councillor gets elected and wants to be re-elected.
Winsford is being destroyed by yet another tory councillor who doesn't live in Winsford and not elected by Winsfordians. These councillors are responsible for the disaster projects, the A54 junction where no visable difference is seen for a dying town , building a new academy and creating no road network around it thereby destroying local roads and creating gridlock twice a day, and now trying to introduce double yellow lines where no accidents have occurred according to a freedom of information request. These are the same councillors that splash cash of their own little rural wards and destroy and neglect others. You only have to look at frodsham, whitegate and tatton then compare it to Winsford & Northwich to see where the tories like to splash the cash for re=election. Comparing whitegate to winsford:- Whitegate gets a full road surface and bright flashing electronic road signs. Roads around the new academy are worn, potholed and extremely congested to the point of mopeds riding on footpaths to escape traffic gridlock. Verges are a mudbath. In all a danger to residents and children attending the school. You can guess where the tory councillor gets elected and wants to be re-elected. Winsfordresident
  • Score: 5

2:20pm Tue 4 Feb 14

didaloca says...

Just park on the path, not exactly legal but safer and you can get some nice chips! The other option is to park at the evil garage place a bit down the road.
Just park on the path, not exactly legal but safer and you can get some nice chips! The other option is to park at the evil garage place a bit down the road. didaloca
  • Score: -6

1:41pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Dangerous Bill says...

Parked cars are a minor inconvenience and only a problem at peak times. The most obvious solution (if they HAVE to meddle) is simply to have a "no stopping" restriction during rush hours which will allow us to keep one of the best chippys in Cheshire open.
As there has been very few incidents at that location, I would vote for no action to be taken.
Someone should treat Clr Riley to one of FoodCrafts famous steak pies so she can realise why we don`t want to lose this treasure!
Parked cars are a minor inconvenience and only a problem at peak times. The most obvious solution (if they HAVE to meddle) is simply to have a "no stopping" restriction during rush hours which will allow us to keep one of the best chippys in Cheshire open. As there has been very few incidents at that location, I would vote for no action to be taken. Someone should treat Clr Riley to one of FoodCrafts famous steak pies so she can realise why we don`t want to lose this treasure! Dangerous Bill
  • Score: 5

1:53pm Wed 5 Feb 14

BThompson says...

Whilst I agree with you all on the parking restrictions, if they do that it means having to police them at rush hour/school times and I seriously doubt they have the budget or manpower to do that? Which in turn means nothing will change, the selfish few will ruin it for the rest of us and park where and when they like. I am surprised there hasn't been many incidents there though, I've seen more near misses than I care to count as people try to merge at speed.

I concur on the chips and pies front too, best in the area by a mile.
Whilst I agree with you all on the parking restrictions, if they do that it means having to police them at rush hour/school times and I seriously doubt they have the budget or manpower to do that? Which in turn means nothing will change, the selfish few will ruin it for the rest of us and park where and when they like. I am surprised there hasn't been many incidents there though, I've seen more near misses than I care to count as people try to merge at speed. I concur on the chips and pies front too, best in the area by a mile. BThompson
  • Score: 4

2:09pm Wed 5 Feb 14

nicksey says...

Dangerous Bill - If only she ever came to Winsford somebody might treat her to one, but I do think that their money will remain safe for some time.

Jack Hay - Unfortunately the greengrocers you mention appears to be up for sale at the moment, I wonder if they are worried about a huge Asda arriving on their doorstep.

Having said that there are indeed some long well established butchers, fishmongers and greengrocers in the town. They survive by having many years of trading that have built a loyal group of repeat customers who come back for more of the same.

Any new shopkeepers thinking of opening up in Winsford or Northwich will be starting from a clean slate, which is very difficult to do with a huge supermarket just over the way sucking in your potential customers.
Dangerous Bill - If only she ever came to Winsford somebody might treat her to one, but I do think that their money will remain safe for some time. Jack Hay - Unfortunately the greengrocers you mention appears to be up for sale at the moment, I wonder if they are worried about a huge Asda arriving on their doorstep. Having said that there are indeed some long well established butchers, fishmongers and greengrocers in the town. They survive by having many years of trading that have built a loyal group of repeat customers who come back for more of the same. Any new shopkeepers thinking of opening up in Winsford or Northwich will be starting from a clean slate, which is very difficult to do with a huge supermarket just over the way sucking in your potential customers. nicksey
  • Score: 1

3:52pm Wed 5 Feb 14

L Byrne says...

Nicksey

I hope that you are right about the established small shops being able to rely on the loyalty of their customers. We will not know until it is too late by which time the amateur retail property developers in CWAC Council will not be around to explain the mess. These are the guys who went on their knees begging ASDA to come to the town.

If the Council has done the slightest amount of homework, it will have seen that ASDA usually wipes out most of the nearby small trader competition whenever it opens a store in or close to a town centre. Which is one of the reasons , of course, why it declined the opportunity to build a store at the top of the town closer to where it would have had to contend with the big guys like Tesco and Aldi.

But then again, the people taking the decisions don't get into Northwich very much.
Nicksey I hope that you are right about the established small shops being able to rely on the loyalty of their customers. We will not know until it is too late by which time the amateur retail property developers in CWAC Council will not be around to explain the mess. These are the guys who went on their knees begging ASDA to come to the town. If the Council has done the slightest amount of homework, it will have seen that ASDA usually wipes out most of the nearby small trader competition whenever it opens a store in or close to a town centre. Which is one of the reasons , of course, why it declined the opportunity to build a store at the top of the town closer to where it would have had to contend with the big guys like Tesco and Aldi. But then again, the people taking the decisions don't get into Northwich very much. L Byrne
  • Score: 1

9:15am Thu 6 Feb 14

MrT1976 says...

An article regarding double yellow line in Winsford has somehow moved in to yet another futile discussion on ASDA in Northwich and the redevelopment of the town, of which I am a supporter of.

Can people not stick to the subject.........
An article regarding double yellow line in Winsford has somehow moved in to yet another futile discussion on ASDA in Northwich and the redevelopment of the town, of which I am a supporter of. Can people not stick to the subject......... MrT1976
  • Score: 4

1:26pm Thu 6 Feb 14

M Kennedy says...

chrisfen67 wrote:
I am told that some members of Winsford Town Council support these yellow lines which is why it has moved to the formal consultation. If this is true, Mike Kennedy has 'forgotten' to mention this. Does he talk to his colleagues?
I have not forgotten to mention anything, my views are my own, i do not try to influence other councillors, this will come to and be discussed at Town Council. However the decision does not rest with us but CWAC. I believe you are mixing up CWAC Councillors.
[quote][p][bold]chrisfen67[/bold] wrote: I am told that some members of Winsford Town Council support these yellow lines which is why it has moved to the formal consultation. If this is true, Mike Kennedy has 'forgotten' to mention this. Does he talk to his colleagues?[/p][/quote]I have not forgotten to mention anything, my views are my own, i do not try to influence other councillors, this will come to and be discussed at Town Council. However the decision does not rest with us but CWAC. I believe you are mixing up CWAC Councillors. M Kennedy
  • Score: -2

10:01pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Jack Hay says...

L Byrne wrote:
Nicksey

I hope that you are right about the established small shops being able to rely on the loyalty of their customers. We will not know until it is too late by which time the amateur retail property developers in CWAC Council will not be around to explain the mess. These are the guys who went on their knees begging ASDA to come to the town.

If the Council has done the slightest amount of homework, it will have seen that ASDA usually wipes out most of the nearby small trader competition whenever it opens a store in or close to a town centre. Which is one of the reasons , of course, why it declined the opportunity to build a store at the top of the town closer to where it would have had to contend with the big guys like Tesco and Aldi.

But then again, the people taking the decisions don't get into Northwich very much.
Not correct, I'm afraid. Nobody had to beg Asda to come to Northwich. Asda has been trying to open a store in Northwich for a long time. It originally sought to open a store on Albion Street/New Warrington Road and was refused permission because that area is not 'zoned' for food retail in the borough plan. So Asda didn't decline that opportunity; there was no opportunity. And it didn't have to be persuaded to come; it wanted to come. It still wanted to come even after the store size was reduced following the first round of consultation on the plan.
[quote][p][bold]L Byrne[/bold] wrote: Nicksey I hope that you are right about the established small shops being able to rely on the loyalty of their customers. We will not know until it is too late by which time the amateur retail property developers in CWAC Council will not be around to explain the mess. These are the guys who went on their knees begging ASDA to come to the town. If the Council has done the slightest amount of homework, it will have seen that ASDA usually wipes out most of the nearby small trader competition whenever it opens a store in or close to a town centre. Which is one of the reasons , of course, why it declined the opportunity to build a store at the top of the town closer to where it would have had to contend with the big guys like Tesco and Aldi. But then again, the people taking the decisions don't get into Northwich very much.[/p][/quote]Not correct, I'm afraid. Nobody had to beg Asda to come to Northwich. Asda has been trying to open a store in Northwich for a long time. It originally sought to open a store on Albion Street/New Warrington Road and was refused permission because that area is not 'zoned' for food retail in the borough plan. So Asda didn't decline that opportunity; there was no opportunity. And it didn't have to be persuaded to come; it wanted to come. It still wanted to come even after the store size was reduced following the first round of consultation on the plan. Jack Hay
  • Score: 1

10:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

chrisfen67 says...

M Kennedy wrote:
chrisfen67 wrote:
I am told that some members of Winsford Town Council support these yellow lines which is why it has moved to the formal consultation. If this is true, Mike Kennedy has 'forgotten' to mention this. Does he talk to his colleagues?
I have not forgotten to mention anything, my views are my own, i do not try to influence other councillors, this will come to and be discussed at Town Council. However the decision does not rest with us but CWAC. I believe you are mixing up CWAC Councillors.
Mike
By saying "the decision does not rest with us but CWAC. I believe you are mixing up CWAC Councillors", it sounds like you are trying to say that Winsford Town Council has nothing to do with CWAC Councillors. The fact is that 5 out of 15 Winsford Town Councillors are also CWAC councillors. In other words, a third of the Town Council already support these proposals by allowing them to go to formal consultation.
Good - I hope that, unlike you, they consider the tens of thousands of Winsford people that use the road rather than the fraction of this that go to the chip shop.
I wonder - when the chip shop owners do their shopping, do they expect to be able to park 8ft from a shop door all the time? If their food is liked so much, drivers will walk a few yards from the car park to go there. This exercise may even go some way to cancelling out the unhealthy meal that they are about to eat!
[quote][p][bold]M Kennedy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrisfen67[/bold] wrote: I am told that some members of Winsford Town Council support these yellow lines which is why it has moved to the formal consultation. If this is true, Mike Kennedy has 'forgotten' to mention this. Does he talk to his colleagues?[/p][/quote]I have not forgotten to mention anything, my views are my own, i do not try to influence other councillors, this will come to and be discussed at Town Council. However the decision does not rest with us but CWAC. I believe you are mixing up CWAC Councillors.[/p][/quote]Mike By saying "the decision does not rest with us but CWAC. I believe you are mixing up CWAC Councillors", it sounds like you are trying to say that Winsford Town Council has nothing to do with CWAC Councillors. The fact is that 5 out of 15 Winsford Town Councillors are also CWAC councillors. In other words, a third of the Town Council already support these proposals by allowing them to go to formal consultation. Good - I hope that, unlike you, they consider the tens of thousands of Winsford people that use the road rather than the fraction of this that go to the chip shop. I wonder - when the chip shop owners do their shopping, do they expect to be able to park 8ft from a shop door all the time? If their food is liked so much, drivers will walk a few yards from the car park to go there. This exercise may even go some way to cancelling out the unhealthy meal that they are about to eat! chrisfen67
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12:18am Sat 8 Feb 14

onered says...

The Winsford Town Council has 15 Councillors, 5 of whom may also be members of the Cheshire West and Chester Council. Mike is correct, it is the 75 Councillors of the Cheshire West and Chester Council who will make the final decision, the Winsford Town Council and its 5 Cheshire West and Chester Councillors can only register there disapproval or otherwise.
The Winsford Town Council has 15 Councillors, 5 of whom may also be members of the Cheshire West and Chester Council. Mike is correct, it is the 75 Councillors of the Cheshire West and Chester Council who will make the final decision, the Winsford Town Council and its 5 Cheshire West and Chester Councillors can only register there disapproval or otherwise. onered
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11:25am Sat 8 Feb 14

chrisfen67 says...

onered wrote:
The Winsford Town Council has 15 Councillors, 5 of whom may also be members of the Cheshire West and Chester Council. Mike is correct, it is the 75 Councillors of the Cheshire West and Chester Council who will make the final decision, the Winsford Town Council and its 5 Cheshire West and Chester Councillors can only register there disapproval or otherwise.
Onered
That is not correct - the 75 CWAC councillors do not make the decision. I have asked previously how these decisions are made and the local Members are asked about their views following the formal consultation and it is the highway councillor (assuming that is Mrs Riley) who makes the decision alone following a recommendation from the local highway officer in charge.
[quote][p][bold]onered[/bold] wrote: The Winsford Town Council has 15 Councillors, 5 of whom may also be members of the Cheshire West and Chester Council. Mike is correct, it is the 75 Councillors of the Cheshire West and Chester Council who will make the final decision, the Winsford Town Council and its 5 Cheshire West and Chester Councillors can only register there disapproval or otherwise.[/p][/quote]Onered That is not correct - the 75 CWAC councillors do not make the decision. I have asked previously how these decisions are made and the local Members are asked about their views following the formal consultation and it is the highway councillor (assuming that is Mrs Riley) who makes the decision alone following a recommendation from the local highway officer in charge. chrisfen67
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11:10pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Dangerous Bill says...

Chrisfen67,
In response to your comment, it will not be a question of customers having to walk 200 yards and back across the dual carriageway to get their (actually quite healthy) meals, the proposed restrictions will mean the shop will be forced to close!
From your comments, I presume you have an active dislike of takeaway fare and have little sympathy for the 12 or so workers who will lose their jobs.
Chrisfen67, In response to your comment, it will not be a question of customers having to walk 200 yards and back across the dual carriageway to get their (actually quite healthy) meals, the proposed restrictions will mean the shop will be forced to close! From your comments, I presume you have an active dislike of takeaway fare and have little sympathy for the 12 or so workers who will lose their jobs. Dangerous Bill
  • Score: 5

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